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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus is that the primary topic is established, if nothing else since the proposed new title is already a PRIMARYREDIRECT to this article. Furthermore, opposition is not based in policy or guidelines. Pointing out ambiguity in a primary topic situation is pointless; ambiguity is a given. So what? Also, “title doesn’t sufficiently establish what the subject is” is not relevant to WP:CRITERIA. The proposed title is the most common name of the topic. That’s undisputed and sufficient by definition. Come on, folks. (non-admin closure) В²C☎06:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yes, but that could hold a disambiguation page. Can you show us any evidence that the one you want is actually the primary topic? Dr. Vogel (talk) 05:53, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Gyro" is a very common contraction for gyroscope, also seen in phrases gyro-action, gyro-stabilized etc. I'd say Gyros (the food) was a poor choice for primary even if it were my favorite. Doug butler (talk) 06:12, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that's a minefield. Of course, unless we have in this RM another long discussion on gyro~gyros, the closure should be followed by a move back to Gyro (food) per that consensus from 2011. But the spelling was discussed again in 2018 and in the the discussion above (which is still ongoing). From these I can glean two things. First, gyro is by far the most common spelling in English and is the form found in virtually all dictionaries. Second, doubts have been expressed about whether what is meant by gyro in the English-speaking world is the same as the gyros of Greek cuisine in Greece. So this leads into the bigger question: if these are different things, which one should this article be about? Or whether the article should be about any of them at all – see this 2011 thread which proposed a merge with the article about doner kebab, which resulted in a long but apparently inconclusive discussion. – Uanfala (talk)16:28, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Although the term might be available, the title doesn't sufficiently establish what the subject is and given the use of the word as a short-form of gyroscope, and as a prefix, the parenthetical info is a useful, if not technically essential, clarifier IMO . Pincrete (talk) 13:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We don't insert disambiguation parentheticals into titles unless it is necessary because another article shares the same title, which it does not in this particular case. And "gyro" is a slang term for gyroscope, not "gyros". Rreagan007 (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can't remember the exact policy wording, but we do require that a title be clear enough to adequately identify the topic, not simply that it be unique, I personally often find that I end up landing on articles that have failed to identify themselves clearly and WP's search function demands a re-type. My logic on this name is that "gyros" does not satisfy the 'clarity' requirement, whether a parenthesis is the best way to achieve clarity is a separate question. In the case of 'gyros', the word isn't particularly ambiguous, but it isn't very clear either. Pincrete (talk) 07:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that most editors prefer article titles to be as short as possible. I personally think that it would be good if article titles were clearer, especially as you have to re-type if you end up on the wrong article, as I often do. It isn't like reading the first sentence in a paper encyclopaedia, then flicking on an item/page or two, if you've landed in the wrong place. It is part of policy is it not that the article title clearly identify the subject, not simply be a unique name? I personally would immediately recognise all but one of those foods, but many readers wouldn't. Pincrete (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The introduction says it is normally made with lamb in Greece. But under Preparation it says it is normally made with pork and rarely lamb. Which is it? 89.99.73.208 (talk) 20:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should pretend this is some special Canadian traditional dish. It's just a Döner made in Canada. Despite a bit of variation in the sauce.
Same with the "Al Pastor" döner from Mexico. Or should we also include the döner they make in Germany, in England, in France, etc. and call them traditional dishes? What about pizza - I'm sure each country could get its own Wiki entry for the kind of pizza they make in that country.
77.233.228.141 (talk) 10:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, no. It is a GYROS made in Canada...since "we" seem to want to be snarky (?)
(Note we are in wikipedia.org and English-based or North American or whatever it is) I have been "around" and had a gyros from a guy I know to be Greek, and one I know to be Lebanese (lived there long enough to chat a lot), and I can't even tell you the dozens of others from California to Georgia where it was what you would think it was. I am in Cheticamp and just went to a grocery and donair(s) was in 2 places. In this size of town in this type of market in the 75% of the US I have visited, YOU ARE NOT GONNA FLIPPIN FIND GYROS MEAT. Then, the donair in Hubbards NS 10 days ago was served wit ha sauce that was super sweet not garlic-laden and NOT TZATZIKI...so then it is a different thing.
Regarding your pizza analog - damn straight there should be different entries: Chicago style is not NY style and Detroit is a thing...and all of them probably get your smacked upsid3e the head in Italy.
Making a paragraph explaining regional differences would be the f'n point of a wiki, such as wikis have evolved. My complaint would be that no one from Canada has explained why the sauce is different ...and why I came here is to say "hey somebody that actualyl knows something not snarky, please do in fact tell us what makes donair sauce in Canada (or is it Nova Scotia) different from tzatziki"...but alas, all I get is snarky. 142.176.6.75 (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we start am article with Xyz is an abc-ish food/wine etc, then it is reasonable that we should start out with the abc-ish food/wine or whatever. Whether we are talking about a Polish sausage, a German beer, a French wine or an Italian dish or an American pie. In Scotland they sell deep-fried pizzas in chip shops, but we can all probably agree that the Italian food is widely regarded as 'start out' point from which others have deviated, with various different degrees of good raste and culinary success. I've no idea about the validity of the Canadian variant. Most US variants seem wholly unconnected with what is sold in Greece. Unfortunately sourcing is very poor about this specific topic, and about foods in general.Pincrete (talk) 21:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]