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Rapper Xzibit was stopped by the police in the Netherlands for speeding. His drivers license was confiscated but he was allowed to continue, having his copilot drive. Xzibit loses drivers license (in dutch), Xzibit and the police (picture). Does anyone want to put this in the article?
In the 2007 section it is noted that the Dutch government is looking into ways to forbid streetrallies. It cites a news-article from nu.nl that says nothing about that. A better source would be Algemeen Dagblad (Dut) but since the Dutch law already forbids any race on the public road (Wegenverkeerswet Art. 10 (Dut)) I think one shouldn't really take this newsarticle seriously, although I generally consider the AD a reliable source. Bacchuss 08:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
According to the entry Cannonball, the first Cannonball Run organized by Brock Yates in 1971 was won by Yates and Dan Gurney. This article (Gumball 3000) states that "Cannonball" Baker and Gurney won the 1971 race. Another source I have says that Baker died in 1960, 11 years before this race. Can someone do some research and reconcile these facts?
Doesn't this race involve driving over the speed limits on open roads, thus committing various traffic offenses? David.Monniaux 09:48, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The 2nd paragraph of "Controversy" doesn't sound like neutral point of view (31/08/06)
For 2007 official sponsor ALK has a site with team blogs and team route tracking. Link is www.rallybird.eu. Useful to include? {Cdev mk 11:55, 28 April 2007 (UTC)}
Gumball-3000.com hosts a wide collection of Gumball 3000 information, photos and videos. It adds a lot of content to the information available in the article and on the official website. Useful to include? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.84.192.36 (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
several paragraphs end with an exclamation mark - unencyclopedic? (clem 19:01, 7 May 2005 (UTC))
This page seems to talk of nothing useful, and doesn't outline the rally's darker side at all. I don't know enough about the rally but I suggest someone adds some info on the legality etc. --Untruth 16:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you know driving 10 miles under is just as unsafe as 10 miles over? LAEsquire 09:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)LAEsquire
I'm going to take some photos of the start today, 30 April 2006, in The Mall at 15:00. Anybody else going to be there? Edward 10:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
... is outside Memphis, Tennessee, not Nashville, Tennessee.
"onto Nashville, Tennessee for lunch in Elvis Presley's Mansion, Graceland" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.25.109.195 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
Something should be mentioned about the Gumball TV series that was produced for the 2006 rally, that featured competition between Ed Leigh and Alex Roy. Mosdefau2 12:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Article has undergone a broad copy edit for tense, usage, grammar, and punctuation which reduced NPOV. Current needs include a through wikification, improved/expanded introduction to better explain notability of the event, references/footnotes, and introduction of mainstream media coverage. While the article could be perceived as NPOV or somewhat of a promotion, that may be due to celebrity participation. This is a FUN article. ChicagoPimp 03:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I have some footage from the start of the 2007 Gumball. I got a great spot right at the start grid and filmed every car starting. The footage can be seen at [1]. I also have about 80 high quality photos. I am making a gallery and will post the info here soon. Also, there are some faults on the Wikipedia page regarding the schedule for 2007 - the Gumballers are not visiting Venice to my knowledge. I got my information from the official programme given out on the day. Ogdini 07:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I think its better to call it tour instead of rally. Rally is a competitive sport. Gumball is a road trip and it's not competitive even though some of the drives are obsessed with speed! DimTsi 00:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I added a paragraph about the hit-and-run performed by two Gumball drivers in Macedonia, which left one person dead, and the other fighting for her life. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.205.1.219 (talk) 17:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
The fatal accident was initially reported by some elements of the media as a hit-and-run and talked of the Techart Porsche driver and co-pilot fleeing to the border. A more accurate account has now come to light. The drivers stopped, called an ambulance and waited with the injured drivers until the ambulance had arrived. They then proceeded to the nearby border with Albania in another car where they reported the incident to the police. They were only then arrested later when it was confirmed that the driver had died.
"It is believed the two men waited at the scene until ambulance crews arrived to help the driver of the second car, before rejoining the race towards the Albanian border.
It is thought the men reported the accident to police when they arrived at the border, and were asked to give statements.
But it is believed that as they returned to the border to continue their trip they were told the other person involved had died and were taken back to a nearby police station, where Mr Morley was held." Source: ITN - 04.05.2007 11:11
This article is seriously biased. There's hardly anything about it on the controversy and the legality of this monstrosity. Wouter Lievens 09:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
It IS a monstrosity. There was a TV documentary in the UK about it a couple of years ago, where the drivers were quite open about flouting speed laws and driving as fast as their cars would allow between points on the rally. A rally that encourages people to drive like idiots on public roads is inexcusable. Kill yourselves at high speed on a race track but don't endanger the public. 86.134.13.120 16:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
One of them tried to run once he got out on bail. What a loser
Perhaps this compilation of in car footage could be used to back up claims of reckless driving in gumball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UNExJi5xIs
GumballMod 09:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)GumballModGumballMod 09:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the last paragraph on Mr Morley is a little brief in comparison to the rest of the information on the trial.
Nicholas Morley was released from custody on £17,000 bail, but was later re-arrested in Skopje while attempting to leave the country using a private jet.(THIS IS ONLY SPECULATION, ITS NOT FACT)[22] The subsequent court hearing found him culpable in the deaths, passing a suspended sentence. [23]. Post the verdict Morley's family released a statement [24] detailing there own experts findings which contradict findings of the prosecutions expert. The statement also claims that the defence were denied the opportunity to present their expert findings, which could contravene article 6 of the European convention on human rights, the right to a fair trial, an appeal maybe made.
Can't we mention some of the facts stated after the trial by, the fact that the same expert that analysed the Diana crash scene analysed the scene of this accident and claimed that Mr Morley was driving at only 47mph. Can't we also mention that the family of the victims did not want to press charges. Also the leaving on a jet plane is not factual, it should be mentioned that this is speculation. http://jalopnik.com/cars/near-to-the-east,-in-a-part-of-ancient-yugoslavia/morley-family-releases-statement-post+gumball-verdict-267750.php I think it would be better to take text from this article and place it into the paragraph as a quote, there are comments made at the end of the referenced article that are very distastful and bias.
I removed/changed the sentence "the controversial rally is considered by many a race on public roads as the drivers often violate speed limits during the rally.". The cites don't say many consider this to be street race, and so also don't say a reason why many would consider it. This is at best a synthesis of the sources inferring stuff and devising reasons, i.e. it is original research. There maybe reliable sources which do state this, but those given don't. --pgk 17:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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(help)I've added the unreferenced tag to the page since although there is lots of references to this years event and the incident with Morley, the previous years seem mostly unreferenced as do the "winners" sections, not to mention reading that a fan site in places rather than an encyclopedia article. We might need to prune this back. --pgk 08:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
It was in the 2003 Gumball I believe. That Team Polizei Alexander Roy drove his Bentley Continental GT known as the "Interception" I believe. It wasn't the BMW M3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.157.116.36 (talk) 17:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Nick Morley was driving way too fast, killed the two elderly people and then bribed the family (and most likely the court) into a settlement. He tried to flee Macedonia after the accident, but he was caught and arrested when trying to cross the border. He was found guilty and convicted. He did not appeal, as it says at the end of the "2007" section, because he would have gotten worse off.
The court adjudicator estimated the speed of Morley's car to be 161km/h (100mph), and the limit on that section of the road is 60km/h (37.5mph). I have referenced a source for this. The road in that section is very flat and wide 7m (25ft), so YES, you CAN do 200km/h, EXCEPT, there is a gas station, entrance into a town, and exit to a village in those 50 metres (60 yards) where the accident happened. So yes, by all means the guy killed the poor people. Face it. Don't delete my edits because they contribute to the NPOV and they are referenced.Crnorizec (talk) 16:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I've removed this again. This needs to be considered in the context of WP:BLP, WP:RS and WP:NPOV. The quote of the speed is from a blog, which is not a reliable source. This potentially impacts a living person so WP:BLP demands a high standard of sourcing. The rest of your comment above is also not backed by any of the sources, you may indeed know that 200km/h is possible, but we don't care what you know to be true just what is available from reliable sources.
I've also revered the change to use the word "fled", this also is not backed by the sources, in terms of WP:NPOV it is clearly trying to imply something not indicated by the sources, so fails to be WP:NPOV --82.7.39.174 (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I've used jalopnik.com as reference to the fleeing, if you prefer that one. He tried to flee twice, btw, the second time after he was released on bail and due to appear in court. There are many sources to document both the court adjudicator's claim and the fleeing from the crash site. WP:BLP does not imply that contributors should enhance a biography of a convicted murderer. Sorry. Crnorizec (talk) 18:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I've moved this to the bottom again. Look at any talk page and you'll see that the posts go chronologically to bottom. Look at every other post on this page and that is how it works. Indeed click the new section tab at the top of any talk page, it will add a new section at the bottom.
Nope the word "fled" or "flee" is still a loaded word which fails WP:NPOV, it has broader implications. Even the source you've referenced uses words like "Allegedly", this could be the source using weasel words to avoid standing behind the statement, or it could be us trying to increase the strength of the statement, from alleged to a fact.
WP:BLP does not imply that contributors should enhance a biography of a convicted murderer. Sorry. WP:BLP demands strong sourcing for items related to living people, that is all that is being demanded and if you believe that enhances anything, that's your problem, it's non-negotiable. Your continued use of emotive terms, declaring the person to be a murderer, bribing family, bribing courts etc. (In the UK manslaughter type charges as this is, would be quite distinct from murder. Murder attracts a mandatory life sentence, this wasn't a murder conviction.) suggests you are rather more passionate about this than perhaps writing from a neutral point of view should be --82.7.39.174 (talk) 18:25, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
You are being emotional here. Look at the referenced text on the trial:
There is nothing "alleged" here. The adjudicator said so in court. What has been referenced as "suspicion" is a commentary which says "I do not believe that ....
Also this one on the fleeing:
There is nothing "alleged" here either.
Also, Manslaughter/murder2/murder1/ are categories of murder, it's not negotiable either. I added the quote from the Ministry of Interior of Macedonia, about the second fleeing for clarity. This is another fact. Please stick to the NPOV and do not delete referenced edits.
I have also started a new article about the accident, where all facts that you are disputing have been sourced from The Times, Guardian, Telegraph, Sky News etc. I hope these work for your WP:BLP.Crnorizec (talk) 21:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed the speed reference entirely as it's heavily contested and the one reference is a dead link. There was a lot of misinformation flying around at the time and the major piece of information relevant to this article (that the crash occurred and a death occurred) is all there. The speed at which it occurred and who was at fault is beyond the scope of an article on the Gumball 3000. Antiaverage (talk) 16:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
See also: https://jalopnik.com/morley-family-releases-statement-post-gumball-verdict-267750 Antiaverage (talk) 16:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I made this revert because it introduced a large amount of unreferenced information and broke several references in the process. Please feel free to re-add this material somewhere when it has been verified. - Mgm|(talk) 12:04, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
To all editors of this article. Please study Wikipedia:References because you make a mess of the references! Debresser (talk) 12:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I reverted your edits. Please make them inside the existing text, without ruining the hard work of other editors. Debresser (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
"Still, Gumball HQ has never encouraged to speed, or to endanger the life of others, even, some drivers have seen themselves banned, or suspended, because of poor driving skills. But if you really want to point out the fact that there are accidents, you should also point out that never, one has been killed during the rally. The worst accident to date is Torquenstein's, with the Viper. The co-pilot wasn't injured, but Torquenstein was hit at the head and broke his shoulder. As it has been said, driving fast and arriving first isn't the main goal of the rally, it's only about having fun and getting the chance to show what your car can do in the end, at a given place, given time (e.g. racetracks)." -----I do see that this was before the "incident" in 2007, but I'm new to wikipedia and have a question. Should talk pages be updated/addressed for factual accuracy? If not, its still interesting... 63.249.56.94 (talk) 07:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I reremoved:
"The Gumball 3000 has become extremely popular in recent years, and has become a successful commercial enterprise. Earning many corporate sponsors, countries often bid to host a part of the event, keen to harness the tourism it attracts. In 2006 the event included Phuket, Thailand into the route, in order to attract tourism back to the region following the disastrous Tsunami; and in 2008 the event was invited by the Chinese Government to finish in Beijing during the Olympic Games - as one of the official cultural events celebrating the Olympics. That same year the Gumball route incorporated Pyongyang, North Korea as a result of working with the United Nations and the various governments in the Korean Peninsular in an attempt to use the multinational and multicultural element of the event to promote "friendship" in the region."
The source given says nothing about popularity (extreme or otherwise) or commercial success. It says nothing about countries "bidding" to host part of the event. It says nothing about attracting tourism to the region. Says nothing about being invited by the Chinese Government. Says nothing about the united nations to promote "friendship" in the region. There maybe some usuable stuff in there but that's probably mainly warranted in the detail on the relevant year.
I will however add a paragraph about having received unusual permission from North Korea because that is pretty significant. --82.7.40.7 (talk) 18:34, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
References
The route did indeed get changed, and Dallas was dropped. So whoever changed it back to Dallas, get up to date. http://www.gumball3000.com/blog/gumball-2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.227.24.9 (talk) 06:46, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Cooper appears to have only two claims to notability, his engagement to Eve and the founding of the Gumball 3000. Suggest merging here what minimal content there is on him and leaving Maximillion Cooper as a redirect. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that the Vogue article used as citation for the opening line on Maximillion Cooper co-founding the rally with his ex wife Julie Brangstrup actually only mentions that Maximillion founded the rally, not Julie. I have removed Julie's name as a result and suggest the following sources as an alternative, which all seem to point to Maximillion Cooper being the sole founder of Gumball.
Metro newspaper - http://metro.co.uk/2009/10/27/maximillion-cooper-241699/
Complex magazine - http://www.complex.com/rides/2013/06/most-influential-people-in-the-auto-industry/maximillion-cooper
OotingPooting (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I also noticed this and have read some articles that cite that Cooper did intact found the rally himself with his later to be wife, Julie Brangstrup working for him later on. Suggest that current cite remains as the Vogue article is inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambobuntingseven (talk • contribs) 14:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Reading about the rally elsewhere I came across mention of a stop in North Korea in 2008. This seemed significant so I've added in a section for 2008 with some references detailing the North Korea stop OuEstLeBob (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
An undue weight tag was added to the "2007" section in 2014,[4] with no details in the edit summary, and I can't find any discussion of it in Talk. I assume from reading the section that the perceived problem is that too much weight is being given to the fatal collision, and perhaps also to the various driving infractions and so forth, compared to coverage of the rally in other years.
I've begun work on resolving the undue tag as far as I understand it, including restoring a "See also" to the collision article, which was removed and replaced by an in-text link. Comments and editing help are of course strongly encouraged! --Tsavage (talk) 15:12, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
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