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This article was previously nominated for deletion. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Hi, Sarah! I saw that you despaired a bit, and felt that your article has been "ripped to shreds". What has happened is two-fold:
a) Removal from lead section material that properly belongs in main text, not in lead text. This is the expanded sentence: "Graffiti Kings have created graffiti art murals for various clients ranging from neighborhood businesses and institutions to large corporations such as Sony, Red Bull, Google, Microsoft, Dolce & Gabbana, Warner Bros., Adidas and the Royal Shakespeare Company and many more. Their graffiti art work has also appeared on Hollywood movies & music videos & television shows like The X Factor and The Apprentice"
This is TOO detailed on lead section level!! The present sentence is better. Your detailed overview can, however, constructively be added in your "history" section, or a new "Clientele" section, as long as it is well-sourced. OK?
b) Removal of imputation of motives, badly sourced material.
There are a number of claims you make in your original that needs clearer sourcing:
b1) " Their clients may want them to provide graffiti workshops/team building activities for kid & adults, live graffiti art performances for birthdays & bar/bat mitzvahs, product marketing & graffiti murals. " Where do you have this from, Sarah?? It doesn't belong in the lead (but say, in a Clientele section), and should be introed like this ""SPOKESPERSON" says that (insert reported client motives)..." and SOURCE it.
b2) "When Cullen started Graffiti Kings in 1991 Cullen had no intentions of registering the name as a limited company & having a full time career in graffiti art, Cullen formed a collective of artists & they called themselves Graffiti Kings. They would get together on Sundays to hang out & paint graffiti murals because it was their hobby. Years past & artists from the collective would get private work for running graffiti workshops in youth centers & local schools in London."
LOTS of claims here, Sarah, where did you get it from??? WHO is saying it? Is it from an interview with Cullen himself? Then SAY so!
All in all, the edits that have been made are perfectly proper; try to restructure the article along my advice, and notify me when done, if you would like my opinion on it!Arildnordby (talk) 17:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello :) I have taken all the info from the many links that mention Graffiti Kings & its founder Darren Cullen. The links are: 1. HERE 2. HERE 3. HERE 4. HERE 5. HERE 6. HERE 7. HERE 8 HERE 9 HERE 10. HERE 11. HERE 12. HERE 13. HERE 14. HERE 15. HERE 16. HERE 17. HERE 18. HERE 19. HERE 20. HERE 21. HERE 22. HERE 23. HERE 24. HERE 25. HERE 26. HERE 27. HERE 28. HERE 29. HERE 30. HERE & of course their website. Now take all these links as pages in a book & your come up with what Im trying to write. Now heres the thing, so far many users say my edits sound to promotional, I personally find it hard to get away from this as their work is promotional because they work for commercial brands creating artwork for promotional projects. Is this not the same problem for all commercial brands on wiki? Sarah1971 21:40, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
The first two sources are: http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2012/jul/18/graffiti-artist-adidas-banned-olympic/ & http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/graffiti-kings-british-transport-police-arrests-olympics-london-2012/ miss type on no.15? With some of these links provided can someone please help in adding content as Im 100% now qualified as bad user. Sarah1971 22:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
Can someone please tell me what web links above are OK to use. Also thanks Arildnordby for the help really xxx Sarah1971 13:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I'll stop there for the moment.Arildnordby (talk) 13:59, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Arildnordby Is it OK to take info from the links already on the Graffiti Kings page? like this link http://www.ukstreetart.co.uk/interview-graffiti-kings/ . Seeing as these links was on the page when it got the OK to not be deleted. I will try & write something & post it here first to be approved :) Sarah1971 14:18, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Well spotted SmartSE this Wikipedia stuff is all coming together for me now, its been & still a great learning experience :) over the last few days I have been pushed right in at the deep end on here & its working out for the best. Its like an intense workout. Sarah1971 14:54, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
WP:V is a core content policy - content in this article should be able to be verified by readers from the sources cited. I have removed content which I have been unable to verify from the sources cited. I'm particularly concerned about the claims of being officially recognised by the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions because the only source I can find making any mention of this is this source (that probably does not have a reputation for fact checking) but which states that this supposed approval is part of GK's marketing spiel "he has adopted as a tagline for his business: 'The only professional graffiti company approved by the British Government.'". I have searched for evidence to support this claim, e.g. looking for sources mentioning the department, cullen and graffiti, but haven't found anything other than the Animal New York source. Until we can find a better source for this, I think it should be left out of the article. It is important to note that the burden is on editors who add content to ensure that it is verifiable. SmartSE (talk) 12:15, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I think there is very little evidence of notability for this company, maybe it should be merged with Darren Cullen? Theroadislong (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I guess that when more links are added the new links are still going to be questioned by certain users, then these users make sure its put to a vote on the talk page, then these users are most likely to be the only users that comment, then the page is deleted. You guys have Wikipedia in your pockets hay :) This would make a great paper. Sarah1971 17:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I have added more content & links to page.
Sarah1971 00:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Would this link be any good https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-mx/games/themes/burners-by-graffiti-kings-psp-theme/cid=UT0017-NPUY00023_00-BURNERSGRAFITI01 Sarah1971 04:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
And this link: https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-mx/games/themes/skulls-by-graffiti-kings-psp-theme/cid=UT0017-NPUY00023_00-SKULLSGRAFFITT01 Sarah1971 04:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Would these links help support the Sony live art section here and official Youtube page for Sony here or the fact that the work is featured on the Sony Facebook & twitter sites ? Sarah1971 04:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi VQuakr & thanks for helping - You used the word "Generally", does this mean that there is a way of using these links here or here to help back up the small Sony section? seeing as there's no corporate web links already added. Sarah1971 06:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Hows this link VQuakr could discretion play a part in this? who about this link Sarah1971 15:09, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
I have added more content & links to page, enough I think would be enough for Graffiti Kings to stay as its own page. Sarah1971 00:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
SmartSE can you please explain what you mean by this edit as being "not neutral" This link also says this, & this link Maybe worded better? thank you Sarah1971 14:42, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks SmartSE I have added a little text about the workshops, is there a way of adding the cite little blue box at the end of the edit? its been used already, can it be added twice?Sarah1971 15:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
SmartSE Hows this it says: Cullen’s business, Graffiti Kings, has been built on the foundations of changing public attitudes towards graffiti. Does this back it up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarah1971 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi SmartSE & thanks for Footnotes link. I have now burnt my brain trying to work this out :( are they needed, If not added will content be lost? Is adding the links in the Edit Summery Box be OK? Sarah1971 23:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Thats perfect thanks SmartSE xxx Sarah1971 00:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
So far I have mad many new edits to the Graffiti Kings page. Can someone give the work a look over please and advise if what I'm doing is OK. I have a horrible thought that its all going to crumble again :( Thanks in advance.
I would also like to say a BIG THANK YOU to everyone that has helped in anyway big or small, I know your time is precious & thank you for giving me a little piece of it, REALLY. Even to those that were very cautious at first :) xxx
I think its going to take me 7 days to put my screen shots of every edit/conversation in to order :( Sarah1971 01:17, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
The contents of the Graffiti Kings page were merged into Darren Cullen. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |