Cleanup

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3rd-4th graphs could use some edits. "Bon vivant" and "bleak" repeat. One can be existential AND be charismatic, well-read, and articulate. Worldlelvr (talk) 06:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Infobox reassessment

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I have to admit that I am a bit puzzled reading through the previous RfC regarding the use of an infobox on this page—I was not aware that infoboxes were considered controversial.

However, given 3 years have passed since that consensus was formed, I would like to see if there was still a consensus against the inclusion of an infobox among the editors of this article. Ithinkiplaygames (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, as proposer. I believe an infobox would serve this article better than the lack thereof:
  1. Infoboxes are to an article's lead section as a lead section is to an article—an even more summarized, at-a-glance list of key facts about a person. This article's lead section is long, and thus an infobox would provide an outsized benefit to the reader compared to articles with shorter leads.
  2. The |nationality= field has been deprecated per MOS:INFOBOXNTLY, and thus, any potential controversy about Bacon's nationality should not be a factor in the addition of an infobox.
  3. The debate over Bacon's particular style and movement, too, seem to have settled down—the lead currently describes him solely as a "figurative painter". If additional nuance is desired in the infobox, it can be added via a footnote.
Ithinkiplaygames (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support adding an infobox to the article. I'm looking over other articles for artists throughout history, and it seems quite unusual to not have an infobox. Many of the arguments in the previous RfC, in my opinion, don't feel like great arguments in opposition of an infobox as they were two and a half years ago; and they're much less applicable now.
Namely:
  • An infobox shrinks the image too much does not feel like a strong argument against the infobox as a whole; a different picture can simply be chosen, or the image reformatted.
  • Duplication of information many infoboxes duplicate information in an article lede, such as birth date and name; this is intentional, and I've not seen any issue taken with infoboxes in general.
  • but Bacon is singularly unsuited to categorisation is the argument that opposed the addition of the infobox that has confused me the most. I don't see why Bacon specifically is uniquely unsuitable to be categorized; no sources to my knowledge bring this up, and as per nom there is consensus on his style, so this is a non-issue. Though I am also confused as to why this is an argument against the infobox as a whole. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 01:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Post-RfC

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I missed this, being away for the 3 days when most comments came. I would have objected, but if Ceoil is ok with it.... But I forecast endless maintenance & disputes over the content, & we know that Ithinkiplaygames, User:SmittenGalaxy, User:SWinxy, and User:Fieari won't hang around to help out. Johnbod (talk) 02:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any changes to the infobox should be proposed here then, on the talk page, if you predict all changes to be contentious. Could his education at Dean Close School be added? What about his signature? SWinxy (talk) 15:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't it misleading to include Dean Close in the infobox? He was there for only two years (1924–1926). He was self-educated. Khiikiat (talk) 22:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, perhaps it is. SWinxy (talk) 01:28, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe we have his signature, & he didn't usually sign his paintings. Johnbod (talk) 01:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invalid non-free use rationale?

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File:Francis-Bacon-with-glass (cropped).jpg is in Commons as a public domain photograph. There is no particular reason use File:Francis Bacon by John Dekin.jpg in this article. --Geohakkeri (talk) 15:06, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, have switched, love the pic; he looks suitably inebriated :) Ceoil (talk) 05:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]