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@Bon courage, you've reverted several people who've said that evidence has been gathered in the last 16 years, even though there are multiple sources in the article that show that. Can we get consensus that evidence has been gathered in the last 16 years and therefore the 2008 point needs to be removed the summary? Tom B (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Needs better referencing for such a broad claim regarding the views of an entire body, two sources are 20+ years old, and one recent citation is based on an online survey of 20 psychologists from turkey and bosnia, despite most of the article's contents discussing and/or referencing those working in america or western europe. Transgenderoriole (talk) 22:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure leaning heavily on the mcnally sources is enough either to verify the thought of the professional psychological community but I think removing those 3 current in line citations and updating them (i can't edit as page is restricted) should be fairly agreeable. In addition, the lead does mention disagreements between organisations/bodies regarding the effectiveness but only touches on critique of the actual method being untestable. While the lead does paint a mixed picture, I think the specific claim that EMDR is controversial within the psychological community (again, the community where?, government bodies or independent organisations/solo campaigners?) is vague and unecessarily generalising of both the practice and the critiques of various aspects of it (not to mention that EMDR practitioners are members of the professional psychological community too and require accreditation beforehand). It would be much more beneficial if the specifics of the controversy were explored as 'EMDR' and 'untestable methods that are part of EMDR' are not the same, and EMDR treatment plans/methods are not homogeneous across practioners. Transgenderoriole (talk) 11:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Is anything in this section due for this article? EMDR was important to these people, but were these people important to EMDR? I tend to think not. If the Oprah thingey was widely covered and significantly influenced public views on EMDR I could be convinced to move it to the "history" section, but I prefer removal. Draken Bowser (talk) 13:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Sources are credible but dated. The APA has published more recent studies backing the use of EMDR. This article condemns the practice as purple hat therapy which is not a widely accepted belief and this information is inaccurate and dangerous.
The initial definition is bias and lacks information. The source is outdated.
Change the statement “ (EMDR) is a form of psychotherapy that is a recommended treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder, but remains controversial within the psychological community.” This is an opinion not a definition of the treatment.
To reflect a more recent publication from the APA stating:
A structured therapy that encourages the patient to briefly focus on the trauma memory while simultaneously experiencing bilateral stimulation (typically eye movements), which is associated with a reduction in the vividness and emotion associated with the trauma memories.
Unlike other treatments that focus on directly altering the emotions, thoughts and responses resulting from traumatic experiences, EMDR therapy focuses directly on the memory, and is intended to change the way that the memory is stored in the brain, thus reducing and eliminating the problematic symptoms. “
Remove “ Treatment guidelines note EMDR effectiveness is statistically the same as trauma-focused behavioral therapy, and the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council notes that this may be due to including most of the core elements of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT)” as this statement cannot be support by citation and it is common practice for therapy modalities to overlap.
Edit training section to included the APA guide to clinical practice: [2]
Remove “ This included requiring the completion of an EMDR training program in order to be qualified to administer EMDR properly after researchers using the initial written instructions found no difference between no-eye-movement control groups and EMDR-as-written experimental groups”
replace with the more factual information that EMDR training is widely available with several reputable agencies and cost varies depending on training. This information is easily accessible via quick google search “emdr training.”
Remove EMDR is recommended for the treatment of PTSD by various government and medical bodies citing varying levels of evidence, including the World Health Organization, the UK National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, and the US Departments of Veteran Affairs and Defense. The US National Institute of Medicine found insufficient evidence to recommend EMDR.[7]
Replace with:
EMDR has the highest recommendation across most clinical practice guidelines, including the Veterans Affairs/Department of Defense (VA/DoD) Clinical Practice Guideline for Management of PTSD, the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies (ISTSS), United Kingdom's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE), and Australian National Health and Medical Research Council.
Remove: EMDR is recommended for the treatment of PTSD by various government and medical bodies citing varying levels of evidence, including the World Health Organization, the UK National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council, and the US Departments of Veteran Affairs and Defense. The US National Institute of Medicine found insufficient evidence to recommend EMDR.[7]
Replace with more current and accurate information: “ Early trials in the 1990's were less methodologically rigorous, resulting in conflicting results regarding how quickly the treatment worked and its efficacy. In the last several years, there have been more rigorous studies that support EMDR's efficacy using a 3-month protocol. RCTs have compared EMDR to waitlist/usual care and other trauma focused and non-trauma focused psychotherapies. Recent meta-analyses suggest that EMDR produces moderate to strong treatment effects in regard to PTSD symptom reduction, depression symptom reduction and loss of PTSD diagnosis”
[6] 2600:1700:6E0:D930:CCC1:6784:2BB3:D42F (talk) 16:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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