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--Greasysteve13 10:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Did he really kidnap his first wife? I thought that part was mildly hilarious. I wonder why there isn't an active talk page for such a well known American pop-icon? Fuzzform 22:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
The 'early life' section is all boxed, why is it in this format?. Fix this please.--Hellogoodsir 18:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Which book was this whole article copied from? (Just saying, looks a bit cut-and-pastish to me) --JanesDaddy 07:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a fair bit of humorous commentary, some of it parenthetical. While I found myself laughing, it doesn't seem to meet the standards of this wiki. Comments? Bstone 15:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I have marked the page recently for not citing sources and references. I have no knowledge as to the biography of Evil Knievel but reading through I found some parts hard to believe, i.e kidnapping, the whole olympic hockey drama. It would be great to know what I was reading is not somehow made up. The article for its size and level of detail should realistically be sourced extensively. Abcdefghayden 08:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
This is a nice article. I had never realized how battered up Knievel was. It would be interesting for someone to insert more information about the long-term effects of all these injuries. Can he walk? He must have massive arthritis. Sexual function after being schwacked in the groin?! Does his current lung failure relate to all this? How on earth could he keep recovering? Is his cognitive functioning impaired? It's quite astonishing.
All of this and no mention of Superdave?
Please add [[la:Evel Knievel]] . Thanks. 71.208.202.37 04:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice to know how many jumps he made and how many were successful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericfluger (talk • contribs)
Overall poorly crafted article. There is little momentum and long gaps in time (each jump lasts a very short time...what was going on in the intervening months/years?). Regarding stats, it gives the impression that Knievel hardly ever successfully landed a jump. If this is true, okay, but stats (including details about the jumps) would help the reader get a sense for Knievel's number of successes/failures.
Particularly lacking in power was the description of the apparently momentous Snake River Canyon Jump. Take a look at the below passage from the article. It not only fails to elicit a sense of awe, it barely describes what actually happened. How wide was the canyon? How deep? It seems to imply that Knievel ran a greater risk of dying by drowning than dying from the fall itself:
"The launch at the Snake River Canyon was at 3:36 p.m. local time. The steam that powered the engine had to get up to a temperature of 700 °F (370 °C). Upon take-off, the drogue parachute accidentally deployed when the three 1/4 inch bolts holding the cover for the chute sheared off with the force of the blast. The deployed chute caused enough drag that even though the skycycle made it all the way across the canyon the wind began to cause it to drift back as the skycycle turned on its side and started to descend into the canyon. By the time it hit the bottom of the canyon, the wind had pushed it across the river enough so that it landed half in and half out of the water, just a couple feet more in the water and Knievel would have drowned. Knievel survived the jump with only minor injuries." ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Continuous Life (talk • contribs)
In light of the Hep-C, the liver transplant, and the IPF, perhaps it would be better to create a separate "Health" section rather than include it in "Retirement". Any thoughts? -Juansmith 18:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Can we just have a little note on the page citing EK as the obvious inspiration for one of Bart's heroes, the motorcycling daredevil Lance Murdoch, who appears in a few early episodes of the series? Martyn Smith 23:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
"The highlight of the episode is when Bart attempts to jump his skateboard acorss "Springfield Gorge" an obvious parody of the Snake River Canyon jump." - across misspelled, my apologies if this is the wrong location for a request of this nature. 82.152.219.27 18:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
EK was parodied as "Rebus Knebus" on the Firesign Theatre's album Everything You Know Is Wrong. A knowledgeable individual may wish to add this information to the parody section. 209.34.137.138 20:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Gurff, December 1
Unfortunately, I heard far too much about E.K. growing up. Having broken my collar bone myself, I am dubious about his claims as to the number of bones he was breaking in each major incident. It was two months before I could lift my arm above my shoulder again, and I was only 15 at the time. A broken arm is no big deal, I had that too, reset twice before it healed, esp. in his case with scantily clad women mixing his cold drinks while he convalesces, or so the article implies.
Back to the matter at hand. The following passage is word for word identical to Evel Knievel, dead at 69 by Stone Martindale Nov 30, 2007, 21:36 GMT, published in M&C which seems to lack an "about" page, casting doubt on how well they police their own articles, leaving the origin of this text uncertain.
During the performance, Knievel attempted a new stunt where he would jump, spread eagle, over a speeding motorcycle. Knievel jumped too late and the motorcycle hit him in the groin, tossing him fifteen feet into the air. Knievel ended up in the hospital because of his injuries. When released, he returned to Barstow to finish the performance he had started almost a month before.
MaxEnt 01:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hotz himself spent about 500 hours on the project since the iPhone went on sale on June 29. On Thursday, he put the unlocked iPhone up for sale on eBay, where the high bid was above $2,000 midday Friday. The model, with 4 gigabytes of memory, sells for $499 new.
Deindenting. Given the notification to M&C, it's only fair to lay out the Wikipedia facts. I dug back and found the original edit by User:Gorrister from 17 June 2005. Gorrister was extremely active in 2005, but ceased editing in late 2005 with only one edit since, in 2007. Made some significant contributions to Sandy Koufax prior to it becoming a featured article. Got into a revision war on 12 Sept 2005 with 15 revisions to an anon IP. We all have our bad days. Active for a while in AFD discussions. G's talk page suggests s/he perhaps uploaded several images with lax copyright attributions. Huge edit to E.K. with the Barstow material included three new references:
It could be the disputed material dates back to one of these primary sources. MaxEnt 05:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm trying to follow this thread, so correct me if I'm wrong: In summary, it appears that our edit predates Stone Martindale's published article on EK by two years and that there is another possible instance of Stone Martindale plagiarising from another Internet source (not Wikipedia)? And now M&C has removed the article (or disputed bits) and blog references to this matter from their website? Is that correct? Oh, and is their prompt action aimed at Wikipedia or Martindale? Rklawton 18:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
"I'd like to add the fact that Evel Knievel borrowed $2000.00 to fund his first stunt/ show from a former secretary of his, promised to pay her back, but never did. She told me that he used most of her money to have his first "significant" ramp built." I know this is true, and verifiable, because she is my Grandmother. She still resides in Riverside County CA. I would like to protect her by not including her name if possible.
Can someone get rid of the penis picture overlayed on the text 84.68.125.79 22:36, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only one who sees a gigantic picture of a penis overtop of this article? I don't know where to look for something like that in the article source, and I found the revision where it first shows up, this one, but there's nothing in that revision relating to an image at all. What exactly is going on here? Tromboneguy0186 22:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
It has been confirmed Evel has died. If someone with editing ability for this locked articly could update it that'd be appreciated.
Source - http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/11/30/knievel-obit.html
156.34.3.115 20:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
What is the origin of his surname? I am assuming German, Swiss, or Austrian? Badagnani 04:19, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it true that he broke someone's arms with a baseball bat? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.29.13 (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Exactly how far did he fall when he fell into the Snake River? This should be noted in the article. Badagnani 19:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Also, what was the exact length of the Snake River Canyon jump? Badagnani 19:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
This section has got to go or significantly scaled back. It's overblown, not notable, and non even remotely encyclopedic content. Evel Knievel was a motorcycle daredevil, not a theologian. Rahga 18:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
As an anon, I can't edit the article. Could someone mention that the Knievel name is of German heritage, and his great-great-grandparents immigrated from Germany to the USA. The somewhat confusing full family tree is here [2]. Search on "Ignatius J Knievel" is his grandfather and "Robert Knievel" is his father. Evel "Robert" Knievel is not directly listed but it says "The grandmother of stuntman Evel Knievel" will locate him. -- 71.191.131.7 02:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The article states:
"Knievel made several attempts to reconcile with his estranged son, Robbie, even appearing with him at a couple of jumps. After Robbie's successful jump of the Caesar's Palace fountains, the two went their separate ways for good."
but then
"On July 28, 2006, at Evel Knievel Days in Butte, Robbie jumped 196 feet in a tribute to his father. Robbie also appeared on stage with his father, Evel."
This is inconsistent. 68.45.106.216 (talk) 04:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
And dont forget Pete Chance & Evel's deal for the restarant in LV for the wood xr-750 model bike —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.221.1 (talk) 02:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
"Evel Knievel word is No Good, This man word NG
Keep you word and do what you said.
Evel Knievel Shame on you buddy." posted 02:45, 4 January 2007 by 216.232.151.69
And your point is? Roaming27 23:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
What? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.121.168 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark says: "Evel Knievel retired after his attempt to literally jump the shark in the winter of 1976; hence the Fonzie stunt." I dont see any mention of anything like this here.
Actually, I recall that he was going to jump a tank with a live shark in it for Wide World of Sports, but crashed during a practice jump over the empty tank. There is footage of the crash, and I think it's the one already mentioned in the article.
Taken from his bio on his official site:
"In the winter of 1976 Evel was seriously injured during a nationally televised performance of an attempt to motorcycle jump a tank full of live sharks in the Chicago Ampitheater. For the first time a bystander was also injured when a cameraman was struck, eventually losing an eye. Knievel, who suffered a brain concussion and two broken arms, decided to retire from major performances but continued to do smaller exhibitions around the country with his son Robbie, establishing him as his successor."
You can see where the "jump the shark" expression came from as it led to his end (or retirement). Similarly, when TV shows jump the shark, it is a signal that the series has met its end as well. 192.249.47.11 17:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The smithsonian article referenced mentioned 433 broken bones, although evel claimed far fewer. The Times obituary, in the external links, mentioned 430 breaks. I have chosen the greater number to replace the figure of forty previously mentioned in the article Zfishwiki (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't quite understand why these comments on the verifiability of one or more sources are in the middle of the article in plain (i.e., not "invisible") text, but they have been inappropriately placed for months. All material of this nature is to be tagged and discussed. I have now moved them over to here, the appropriate site of discussion...here they are, in commentary format as was pasted in article until today, 17:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC) (though I numbered the refs differently).
Shortly after getting married, Knievel (may have) left Butte to play minor pro hockey, joining the Charlotte Clippers of the Eastern Hockey League in 1959.1 (hockeydb.com has no record of this.)2, 3
THE REFERENCES
1. Obituary
2. 1958-59 Charlotte Clippers [EHL] player statistics at hockeydb.com
3. 1959-60 Charlotte Clippers [EHL] player statistics at hockeydb.com
Looking through the revision history, both the sources and counter-sources were provided by Mayumashu (19:39, November 30, 2007). Before this time, the hockey team was (incorrectly?) cited as the Charlotte Checkers.
Discuss, debate and decide BEFORE adding information in the article. I have replaced most of this material with a ((dubious)) tag.
Evel Knievel was a hero, criminal, and an average joe in his small hometown of butte montana. Although many people think of him only as some kid that jumps cars and steals to eat, i think of him as a man that is fearless and brave but has made some horrible decisions. My favorite story about Evel that my grampa told me (he went to Butte High School with Evel) was when the young daredevil would ride his motorbike around the school and get away with it. In some ways i would love to be Evel Knievel. Then again in some ways i dont. Evels death in November 2007 devestated the town of Butte Montana along with the fans all across the world. We will never froget the greatest daredevil on earth. Robert Craig "evel" Knievel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.175.200.64 (talk) 23:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
heyy well i was on Fcat explorer doing activites required to prepare for the fcat and it said evil knieval broke 37, or according to some, 32 or 35 bones makes a guiness world record but on the page it said 433? that CANT be right, so i edited it so tell me if im right! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.32.181.97 (talk) 00:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Evel Knievel's Snake River Canyon jump was actually televised via a (national?) closed-circuit television network at various venues around the country. You had to buy tickets. I saw the failed attempt on a large projection TV screen at the Cow Palace (covered arena) in San Francisco. I assume the set-up was similar elsewhere. Perhaps someone who knows more details can make the edit.
http://espn.go.com/abcsports/wwos/e_knievel.html Rsm99833 02:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, maybe the big screens and the spirit of community justified the extra expense and inconvenience. :) But the live WWOS telecast was where I watched it, as well, on one of the three TV channels we could receive in Garson, Ontario, in 1974.--Vonbontee (talk) 02:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Might need a little work, doesn't seem to mention the fact that he was implicated in several violent acts, serving time for at least one of them. See [3]. --208.82.225.232 (talk) 11:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
No kidding! This whole thing was written by a groupie. It goes out of its way in each section to point out what a great, standup guy he was. What the hell kind of article has a paragraph entitled, "Core values"? Please dump this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.100.147 (talk) 19:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the youtube video of Knievel jumping at Caesar's Palace has the exact same text as this article? Who copied who? see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYGGCVE2lKY
There may be an accuracy issue here, too. The article says that the footage of the landing was shot by Linda Evans, "then-wife" of producer John Derek. However the date of the jump was December 31, 1967, and other sources give the dates of Evans' marriage to Derek as "1968-1974".
209.150.49.121 (talk) 11:36, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone feel the "Parodies and tributes" category doesn't flow with the other areas? If so, does anyone have suggestions for improvement?--Docob5 (talk) 17:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
The lead was recently rewritten. However, since the rewrite, I believe the lead is too long. Can it possibly be shrinked down? HeyMid (contribs) 12:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the lead is still way too long. It can & should be perhaps a quarter of this length. 93.96.236.8 (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
There are a few problems with readability: "In 1977, Knievel served six months in jail for assault. After this conviction, Knievel's career suffered, causing him to declare bankruptcy following a $13 million award for damages to Saltman. " This is the first mention of Saltman, so it is confusing. Wistchars (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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All other sources, including the table of Knievel jumps, says the Chicago shark jump was January 31, 1977, rather than 1976. Changing the wording to avoid confusion. SteveJEsposito (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
This article says: "Derek used his then-wife Linda Evans as one of the camera operators." There is a link to the Wikipedia biography of Linda Evans, the famous actress and one-time wife of John Derek.
Elsewhere, on this page, it says that Kineval was married to "Linda Joan Bork (1959–97)" at the time referenced. Shouldn't the statement say that it was Linda Joan Bork who filmed the Ceasars Palace jump, and the link to Linda Evans be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorjones (talk • contribs) 14:50, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
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What is the basis for claiming that he was an "international icon"? No citation is provided and nothing in the article talks of an international career or reputation. I think this should be removed. --HenryPurcell (talk) 01:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
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Why on earth does this article describe Knievel as a 'painter' in the lede and infobox, despite the only other comment about painting being a single sentence stating that "During the 1980s, Knievel would drive around the country in a recreational vehicle, selling works of art allegedly painted by him." Utterly ridiculous... 31.48.240.84 (talk) 23:54, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Evel Knievel did travel in 1985 to a Horse Stud in Marigold Texas commissioned by the owners of an Arabian Stallion "Patrone" purchased for us$5m.Commissioned Evel to paint a portrait of the horse. I met Evel at the ranch where I was also a guest at the time. I was extremely impressed by his actual skill as a painter. A photo of the Horse Portrait he completed during my stay was taken, enlarged to a poster and I still have that framed poster here in Australia to this day. I believe three Posters were actually produced of the original painting at the time. One retained by the Stud owner, one by myself and the third I do not know who ended up with it. Happy to provide a photo of the poster on request, and signature he applied to the artwork for any verification. The detail in the painting is exceptional. This was a commissioned work, certainly painted by his own hand which I was witness to being done.Travelling Fella (talk) 00:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC) Bob Ford Home Hill Qld Australia rgcford@bigpond.com
Under "Jumps and Records" the last paragraph says the 433 bone fractures cited in Guiness Records could be a big exaggeration as Knievel and his son never claimed anything more than 35-50 broken bones. But isn't a bone fracture different from a broken bone? Cornelius (talk) 19:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Noticed the following detail in the article under "Declining Health" subsection.
In February 1999, Knievel was given only a few days to live and he requested to leave the hospital and die at his home. En route to his home, Knievel received a phone call from the hospital stating a young man had died in a motorcycle accident and could be a donor. Days later, Knievel received the transplant.[4]
Citation points to Barker Stuart's biography, which I just looked up, but as much as I wished it was a motorcycle wreck, on p714 it just says "a car wreck in Miami." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.62.51 (talk) 06:37, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Fellow Wikipedians, I noted the multiple issues box includes the IMDb advisory. When I actually looked at the citations, they are all linked to a list of movie titles, with none of the "disputed" or "inappropriate" content shown as examples in Citing IMDb. I propose that the advisory be removed. Bikerbudmatt (talk) 19:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
The way I heard it was: There was this guy, a few cells down the aisle from Knievel's jail cell, by the name of "Knofel". And it was the warden who jokingly referred to the two inmates as "awful kanoffel and evil kaneevel" (my choice of spelling here, for unambiguous pronunciation). Can't remember where I got that info from, but since the relevant section in the article is currently unsourced I thought I'd mention it. --BjKa (talk) 19:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)