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I've started a new category for fans, just type the following at the bottom of your user page {Category:Wikipedians who listen to Electric Light Orchestra}. The Equaliser 12:00 October 2006 (UTC)
Much as a I love them both, recent additions about Mik Kaminski and Kelly Groucutt are not merited.
Firstly, the cite used to support Kaminski's inclusion involves Dhani Harrison failing to even name-check him. This does not demonstrate he is a principal member. If anything it does the exact opposite.
Secondly, if we are to credit Groucutt with "co-lead vocals", we need a good source that does this. Listing tours he was on does not do this, if anything it is original synthesis, which is not permissible. While Groucutt's backing vocals was a feature of ELO, and he was lead singer on the occasional song, I don't think we'll find any source calling him "co-lead vocalist". --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I can respect that line of thinking. It's a shame Jeff almost never discusses these things, and if Bev, Mik, Lou, or or the others give interviews nowadays, I can't find them. Leads to a serious lack of clarity, and makes it hard to credit anyone besides the 'core three' of Jeff, Bev, and Richard for anything. Thanks for the explanation. BlaccKat (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Why is it even listed like this? Why "Principal members" not "Current members" and "Former members" like every other band page? What makes this band different that the members need to be listed in an extremely irregular way? Besides I would hardly call someone who was in a band that's lasted 51 years for just 2 years a "Principal member" when the band has had 49 years without him. That's like calling Tim "Ripper" Owens a "principal member" of Judas Priest or Blaze Bayley as "principal member" of Iron Maiden which are obviously ridiculous claims to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.94.108 (talk) 20:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
My point is what makes Roy Wood for instance a "Principal member" exactly? He was only in the band from 1970–1972. That is only 2 years and he only contributed to 2 studio albums. The band has been around for 51 years and have released 15 studio albums. Roy Wood's contributions don't even make up 10% of the band's history. There are 11 members who have been in the band longer and contributed to more albums than Roy yet Roy gets listed as a "Principal member" and listed with the current members on the main band article despite not being a member since 1972 while the others don't and are hidden away in a separate article. What is the logic in this bizarre system? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.94.108 (talk) 15:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
So how come Dave Mustaine isn't listed with the current members of Metallica? He fits all of those criteria. Oh yeah because he's not a current member so he gets listed in the former members section! How come there's no "Principal members" section for any other band? Why is ELO the only band on Wikipedia that has a "Principal band members" section? Why can't they have members listed in former and current like every other band? Why should members who have made far more contributions be hidden in a separate article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.94.108 (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Again that doesn't answer my very simple question.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.94.108 (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Umm yes they do owe me an answer. I've found a serious flaw with something in the article and no one can explain why it's that way despite no other article on Wikipedia doing it the same way. No the onus is on you to suggest why this bizarre way of listing members is better than Wikipedia's standard version that all other band articles in existence use.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.93.94.108 (talk) 15:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
The problem with noting "snubbed" members of ELO who were not inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, is that it's hard to do without suggesting the opinion that they should have been. And unless the article lists all the other members, it's also suggesting the opinion that some members deserve to be inducted, while others do not. The term "definitive lineup" also introduces the opinion about which lineup is "definitive". Either way, I think the lead should be focussed on how the band was recognised, rather than perceived disputes about which band members got invited. Escape Orbit (Talk) 10:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)