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DeMolay IS a secret Society! From the article "Secret Society":
Alan Axelrod, author of the International Encyclopedia of Secret Societies and Fraternal Orders, defines a secret society where:
* The organization is exclusive * It claims to own special secrets * It shows a strong inclination to favor its own
Yes, demolay is exclusive Yes, we have secrets Yes, Comradeship is the strongest cardinal Virtue!
the DeMolay article SHOULD be merged into Category:Secret Societies
201.92.47.14 (talk) 01:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I myself am a sitting Senior Counsilor and can tell you that we are an orginiztion WITH secrets, but we are not a "secret orginization". You can find out how any and all members are, where we meet, and when we meet. As for the "two secrets", there are more, but this is just to see who a member is, and who isn't. "The orginization is esclusive"... This is not TOTALLY true. In my time we have NEVER turned away prosect. If you are 12-21, believe in asupreme being, and yourinvestigation is clean, you are IN. "...strong inclinaion to favor its own." I would like for you to be specific in that. Are you saying we favor our members? OR our orginization, because I asure you, every thing we do is forthe good of the Order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.168.26 (talk) 00:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The information retracted from the article is available from almost any source, including, but not limited to, installation programs. Seeing as how installations are public ceremonies, the officers of a chapter would not be protected information. To quote the editor, "...grew it would."
I would like to see the sponsoring body's functions, the advisory board's functions, the Dad Advisor's functions, what it takes to found a chapter and maintain one, a list of offices and how the officers are chosen and their duties, a likely program, and a description of the principal ancillary organizations: DeMolay Clubs and priories of the DeMolay Order of Knighthood. What does anyone else think? I know how most of this was thirty or forty years ago, but don't know how it is now. If we get this, the article will have what the organization's website didn't have, last time I looked. J S Ayer 18:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I can't find any references of Bill Clinton being named an honorary IMC. He is in the hall of fame, but I think that's it. Generally Honorary IMCs are given out to people who worked hard for DeMolay.
Yeah, he's a chapter MC, he was NEVER an IMC.
A serving "International Congress Secretary" or "International Master Councilor" at the end of their terms presents "honorary" status to those who supported them during their terms. It is entirely plausible that a sitting IMC declared Bill Clinton to be an honorary IMC. These honorary offices are simply a recognition of assistance and, by no means, carry any official authority. It is not uncommon for one officer to appoint up to six honoraries. —Preceding Lavoie76 (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Aren't there four elected officers: the 3 councilors and the treasurer, b/c he handles the chapter's money? Or was it just in my chapter that the treasurer was elected? 12.201.118.36 07:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Our treasurer is a Dad... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.168.26 (talk) 01:00, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Can the Scribe be elected? I have heard talk the Chapters can do this and that you can do it on the State level72.187.168.26 (talk) 03:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
The Treasurer is elected but is only elected for a year. The Scribe is chosen from the Advisory Council and also serves for a year. Though many chapters may not follow exactly, those are the official by-laws set out by the Supreme Council — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.15.159.238 (talk) 04:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
After 9/11 the way the Federal Goverment monitored groups and their bank account made it difficult for those under 18 to serve as a true Treasurer, most DeMolay chapters in response use only advisors now, but the Treasurer is still an office even if he is not balancing the checkbook and keeping an account of the finances directly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.122.98.254 (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
This article could use a little revision. Any suggestions? As soon as a consensus is taken on how the article should look, the cleanup tag should be removed.
It was my understanding that DeMolay is a Masonic Sponsored organization, that it doesn't have the same status that the York Rite or the Shrine does?
If Florida, the Blue Lodge passed a bi-law that you have to be 18 to join. SO...now we have DeMolays and Masons a the same time... so you cannot say ALL...
AFAIK Alice was never a Senior DeMolay, this is a popular legend that is often talked about in Chapters, but according to most Officials, and from personal research I have done (I am a DeMolay, living in Arizona after all), this is false. Avador
Cooper was not a DeMolay. My brother confirmed this at an autograph signing. He asked Cooper directly, Cooper had not heard of the organization, asked a few questions about it, and said it sounded like a good thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.34.40 (talk) 02:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
As a Demolay member growing up in the 70s I recall reading an encyclopedia entry (World Book, circa 1954) about the Order stating that membership was "open to white Christian boys". We had black members at the time, so this requirement was obsolete, but it would be interesting to see an "unauthorized" history of DeMolay featuring this and other information.67.160.170.214 14:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, there have never been any membershgip requirements with regards to race or religious belief (with the exception of atheists). Though I would not be at all surprized if any such requirements were adopted in the southern states & jurisdictions during the years of segragation, nonetheless nothing like this has ever been recorded. Avador 19:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
This is an unstated issue in the south. Other states have their lodges, assemblies, and chapters meet together. The South is still seperated. However, in DeMolay things are different. Louisiana has all races within their DeMolay organization.(Jessie53 (talk) 02:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC))
I have sat in DeMolay meetings with DeMolays who were black. The reaction was . . . well there was no reaction. It wasn't important to anyone. kcylsnavS{screechharrass} 02:32, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Any racist views DeMolay chapters displayed in the 1950's where an unfortunate reflection of attitudes of the times in society as a whole. Similiarly as recently as the 1990s, while they were certainly there, gay members where not out and open about it, as society had not yet become tolerant of homosexuality. Today DeMolay leaders are out and open without anyone caring. DeMolay actually teaches tolerance, so it is sad that they have reflected society as a whole at time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.122.98.254 (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
As a member in the early 80s, I knew our chapter was racist (I was told not to propose any members of color) but thought I could change them. But when a quarterly or monthly national newsletter came with an article about a national basketball tournament and no persons of color were in it - well I never went to another meeting. --------------------------
In order to prevent this article from becoming a list of links, I propose we do not add any external links to any DeMolay organizations aside from the main site. On another note, it should also prevent the edit warring going on with the Brazil link. MSJapan 12:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Amazing that there are no conspiracy theories mentioned here. :) metaspheres 09:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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I have herd that Virginia Masonry does not recodnize DeMolay as a masonic body and will not sponcer any DeMolay chapters. I could be wrong however, I am in Washington state, still it's what i've herd.
Nope, I'm involved with Virginia DeMolay and Virginia Masonry and can assure you that this is most definitely not true. Darwin16 14:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
The only rules are that there must be 3 Master Masons on every Advisory Council. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.15.159.238 (talk) 04:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
When I was active, I heard it was Wyoming. However, the by-laws of DI require that each Chapter be sponsored by a Masonic body of some sort. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Do we really need seperate articles on Rainbow, DeMolay, Job's Daughters, and Triangle? Why not merge them into one article on "Masonic Youth Organizations"? Blueboar 19:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
The big thing I notice is that the article is woefully short on references and citations. I think this is a must do first step to move this remotely towards GA status. Blueboar 23:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I first started work on the youth Masonic groups 4 years ago making humble inroads to getting this started. It's really great to see people pick up the ball and make this an outstanding article. Get some sourcing in and this is first rate.
Thanks again! --Wgfinley (talk) 02:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Being a Senior DeMolay myself, I know that there are more honors and awards than that of Legion of Honor and Chevalier. If there's going to be a sub-section entitled Honors and Awards, I believe that there should be listed more than just 2 awards. And you can take out the Sweetheart paragraph and make it its own section. The Sweetheart is elected by each chapter, and is not necessarily something that every chapter wants to have. I propose that the Honors and Awards section be updated and revamped with the information from the Honors and Awards section of the Official DeMolay Website. 72.81.98.135 (talk) 02:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be profitable to show the organization of jurisdictions as well as the International Supreme Council. What does everyone think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koopakillers (talk • contribs) 22:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Considering that not all Jurisdictions are under the Supreme Council, this can be difficult. Brazil, for example, has its own Supreme Council, and may not have separate Jurisdictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it's fine to explain the use of the honorific "Dad" within the organization, but it doesn't seem proper to use it in other parts of the article when referring to people, such as Frank Land. Presumably no one outside the organization would refer to him that way, so the wikipedia article should not either. He should be referred to as anyone else is an encyclopedia article, as "Frank Land", "Mr. Land", etc. Mnudelman (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Under the Loh subject it talks about the HLOH but does not say what it is. The medal With coords is different. We should put in the HLOH with a photo of it. Regalia consists of a gold and blue enameled cross medallion with nine stars suspended from a red cordon for an Active Legionnaire and a white cordon for an Honorary Legionnaire. The cross is mounted on an encircling wreath with crossed swords and surrounded by a coronet above which is a red enameled Teutonic Cross. Initially the insignia of HLOH was an LOH cross suspended by a heavy white ribbon from a gold bar containing nine raised stars. A gold ring with a red Maltese cross for an Active Legionnaire and white Maltese cross for an Honorary Legionnaire is worn on the little finger of the right hand.
Sources: Whittier DeMolay in Southern California jurisdiction where i am chapter Mc
An IP editor keeps adding the "Decree of Ebon". It is unclear what importance that degree possesses, as the IP editor has consistently failed to provide a citation to an independent reliable source. While I may believe that there is a Demolay degree of Ebon; I do not believe that it is notable, and I await reliable, independent sources for it before it is restored to the article. --Bejnar (talk) 06:31, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
This article needs citations to Reliable Sources, not just references to the organization's website. There have been many studies of Freemasonry and fraternal organizations. Don't any cover this one? If RS cannot be found, it would appear the organization is not notable and does not deserve an article. As it stands, it is virtually without any sources and could be deleted.Parkwells (talk) 13:45, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
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DeMolay International has recently updated their website. All of those links have been moved. You won't find membership stats available as they are now considered proprietary information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
In 1972/73 there was a DeMolay chapter in Mexico city....they were even represented at the 1972 convention in St. Louis. Please remove all references to Mexico from this article. Any organization in Mexico that uses DeMolay has never been authorized to exist from the International Supreme Council, and as such are clandestine. This was communicated to all advisors in 2015 from the sitting Grand Master at the time, Stephen Crane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
According to the by-laws of DeMolay International, the Scribe is only selected by the Advisory Council. He is not an elected officer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.18 (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
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DeMolay is not, nor has ever been designed to be 'Young Masons'. While influenced by and created by a Mason, Frank Land did not intend for the organization to be used to train young men into becoming Masons. While I know several DeMolay who have gone on to become Masons, many don't. It's like saying that the Order of the Rainbow is the 'Young Order of the Eastern Star'.
68.132.13.242 (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Hmm. When I was a member, it was frequently described in just that way. I understand what you're saying - perhaps it wasn't Land's intent or ever expressed in an official organizational way - but clearly Masons have a source of connection and/or - I would use these words lightly and carefully - ownership/responsibility to DeMolay chapters (at least the lodges with those relationships, anyway). 2603:8001:2A00:7428:718D:7F55:F5CD:E272 (talk) 14:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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