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The draft is definitely not ready to be shifted to the mainspace. Many errors and lack of content for the storm. Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 12:07, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
if you thick(think) is not ready, why should expand improving it.Exactly, we should expand and improve in the draft space. We can't show an incomplete version of the article, with dubious errors and atleast quarter of the content are copied from the season's article.Beraniladri19 🌀🌀 12:11, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
we should expand improve no need make moving the draft, reader need information reganding this Storm HurricaneEdgar 12:23, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
well we should improve and expand the article if there incomplete just like Hurricane Ida (not moving the draft) :) HurricaneEdgar 12:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
@LightandDark2000 and HurricaneParrot: Whenever dealing with draft merges, please do not tag the page with ((histmerge)) and instead move the previous draft into a talk subpage of the article, as per WP:PVER. The target and source pages, this page and Draft:Cyclone Shaheen (now at Talk:Cyclones Gulab and Shaheen/Cyclone Shaheen) cannot be history merged since they do not consist of the same base page nor do they have equal page content even before the history merge. Although it is technically possible, it'll pollute the page history with confusing text. Since the page can't be moved to a redirect (as all of them have already been made) I've moved Draft:Cyclone Shaheen into the proper subpage and modified this talk page's ((copied)) template to reflect the change. Please consider this for the future. Thanks. Chlod (say hi!) 13:13, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
The Joint Typhoon Warning Center has Gulab and Shaheen as the same system, 03B. SolarisPenguin (talk) 07:46, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
"There was also the presence of warm moist air over the center of the system, which was conductive for strengthening." I believe the word should be "conducive" (Concise Oxford Dictionary - 'leading or contributing to (result)'), not "conductive" (COD - 'having the property of conducting'; but as "conduction" means 'transmission (of heat or electricity by contact etc.)', the author may have intended "conductive" in a thermodynamic (i.e. heat) sense. I therefore haven't changed it, just in case I've misunderstood. Perhaps others would like to comment? Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 04:13, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Ref. 57 refers to this statement: "At least 20 total deaths have been attributed to Gulab" — but ref. 57 is not about Gulab, it's about Shaheen: "Shaheen claims at least 13 lives in historic Oman landfall"
Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 09:50, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Under Meteorological history for Gulab, the status of the system is given at various times.
Date | Time | Comment |
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24 Sept. | 03:00 UTC (08:30 IST) | IMD noted the system as a low-pressure area |
06:00 UTC (11:30 IST) | System has developed a cyclonic vortex | |
11:00 UTC (16:30 IST) | System upgraded to a well-marked low-pressure area | |
15:00 UTC (20:30 IST) | IMD upgraded system to a Depression | |
25 Sept. | 03:00 UTC | System upgraded to a Deep Depression |
15:00 UTC (20:30 IST) | IMD upgraded system to a Cyclonic Storm - Gulab | |
18:00 IST (12:30 UTC) | Commencement of landfall | |
17:00 UTC (10:30 IST) | Gulab crosses coast north of Kalingapatnam | |
21:00 UTC (02:30 IST) | JTWC issued final warning prior to landfall | |
26 Sept. | 00:00 UTC (05:30 IST) | IMD downgraded system to a deep depression |
20:00 IST (14:30 UTC) | System downgraded to a depression | |
14:00 IST (08:30 UTC) | System now a well-marked low-pressure area |
There are several anomalies to note.
In the table below I have tried to correct the anomalies, and have added the extra detail that's in the text.
Date | UTC | IST | Comment |
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24 Sept. | JTWC noted that a system producing tropical storm-force winds was located over the east-central Bay of Bengal, 211 nmi (391 km; 243 mi) south of Chittagong, Bangladesh; system designated as 03B.[8] | ||
03:00 | 08:30 | IMD noted the system as a low-pressure area, forming from a cyclonic circulation persisting over the Gulf of Martaban.[9][10] | |
06:00 | 11:30 | System developed a cyclonic vortex | |
11:00 | 16:30 | System upgraded to a well-marked low-pressure area[11][12] | |
15:00 | 20:30 | Favourable conditions, such as moderate to high sea-surface temperatures, the Madden–Julian oscillation being favourable for tropical cyclone development, and low vertical wind shear, allowed intensification; also the thunderstorms were moving in a curved manner.[13] IMD therefore upgraded the system to a Depression. | |
21:00 | 02:30 | JTWC issued final warning prior to landfall | |
25 Sept. | 03:00 | 08:30 | System upgraded to a Deep Depression because its convection further intensified near the centre. There was also the presence of warm moist air over the centre of the system, which was conducive for strengthening.[14][15] |
12:30 | 18:00 | The outer rainbands reached the coastal regions of northern Andhra Pradesh and southern Odisha, indicated that the cyclone had started making landfall | |
15:00 | 20:30 | IMD upgraded system to a Cyclonic Storm, as its convection had became better-organized, with a defined central dense overcast[16]; the cyclone was named Gulab.[16][17] | |
17:00 | 22:30 | Gulab crosses coast 20 km (12.4 miles) north of Kalingapatnam | |
26 Sept. | 00:00 | 05:30 | Having lost its energy after travelling over rough Indian terrain, the system was downgraded by IMD to a Deep Depression.[21] |
14:30 | 20:00 | The system further weakened into a Depression as it entered the state of Telangana.[22] The system maintained its intensity as it travelled westward | |
08:30 | 14:00 | The system weakened into a well-marked low-pressure area over west Vidarbha.[23] |
Some additional comments
If you think this table is easier to read than a text paragraph, let me know and I'll do the same for Shaheen.
Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 11:34, 9 October 2021 (UTC)