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I dont really care for his work either, but this article is definitely npov. --DrBat 01:01, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
I think this article is now about as neutral as you can get. Honestly, the man has very few positive contributions and they've been listed, and the negative points against him have been changed to show they're the opinion of a large majority of the comic reading populace. I recommend getting rid of the neutrality challenge unless someone can think of any other ways to clean things up? Nezu Chiza 02:25, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Since it's been some time since the POV/NPOV issue was discussed, I think we should reevaluate the article as it is. By now, the intro is neutral, the issues on controversy all focused on in the specific category, the acclaim section (mostly, lets face it, there for compensation, since the positive attention he got doesn't really warrant much more than a couple of lines somewhere along the article...) is probably as realistic as it could be, the previous intro is trimmed and cut off into two sections that divide his work without, again, too much on the controversy issue... Is it really POV as it is now? I don't see what else can be done to it, as far as POV goes, anyway, but then, hey, me is me. Thoughts? Zeppocity 00:20, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
There were some crazy interjections and blatantly POV editing by an anon user, so I went in and tried to fix it up a little. It's far from perfect, but there it is. TsunamiWave7 16:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
>Sorry boys, but this article isn't npov, it's been gutted so much it's useless.
I don't care whether a writer/artist is living or dead, it's a cop-out not to address the controversy that the writer generated. It would be like saying that "Lewis Hine took pictures of factories" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hine). The controversy IS the story, and the reason for the Wikipedia entry. Austen generated huge and lasting animosity on his X-Men run. Not to note that is unprofessional and defeats the purpose of Wikipedia. This isn't the Miami Beach Who's Who, where everyone is cheerful and successful and the children are all above average.
Just make sure you find citations to back your VALID pov. CaseyAtyBat (talk) 05:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Another interesting aspect of Austen's work is that while his mainstream work starts off strong and gets weaker as time goes by through mismanagement of his subplots his non-mainstream work, or non-continuity work, seems to shine and possess a strength not seen in works like Uncanny X-Men or Action Comics. Books like the Eternal and Worldwatch, in spite of their pornographic elements, containinsightful and interesting concepts and ideas that deserve further exploration.
IMHO, this sounds extremely generic and written just to pad the section. Could somebody be more specific, i.e. pointing out a concrete example? If not, this is just "weasel talk", see Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_terms, but if yes, please let it be known. --- Onomatopoeia 17:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Not entirely aware of this page's history before I came across it, hum, just making clear here that after some editing some time ago, I've gone ahead and divided the large, unfocused main text (which included a number of references that are inappropriate and unhelpful in an introduction), into two sections on his body of work, namely Mainstream Work and Other Work. References to supposed lack of quality and relating controversy should really be kept in the Controversy section and as such, there's none of that in them by now, I think... Aiming for neutrality, naturally enough. I'll grant however that expanding the introductory line might be a good idea, but I'm not quite sure how to do it without veering off into the controversy issues which, again, comes off as inappropriate to me. Anyway, any issues as to the slight trimming and restructuring I've done? Maybe someone more familiar with Austen's work (a rare breed of animal, maybe: a Austen fan) can come by and write down some more on his early work...? Anywho, cheers, Zeppocity 01:20, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I specified that Austen did not create Gambit, I'm not sure if that came across too clearly originally.
Does anyone have links to back pages of forums where Austen got bashed? It would help validate the sections dealing with fan criticism Rorschach567 15:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Could a section about Austen's contributions to the US War Machine be added, althought not popular, the comic was a unique piece for both Austens career and comics @ the turn of the century.
I've removed this section entirely, according to WP:LIVING. It's not OK to have a massive uncited criticism section on a biography of a living person, and obscene to drown out all actual description of his career with fan complaints about one of his writing assignments. 128.227.99.129 22:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
The only reason people know his name is that he was so controversial on X-Men! It's foolish to ignore that controversy. The criticism, whether fairly or unfairly, colored much of his later work. There's a ton of postings on DC's web site that bashed his work on X-Men while he working on JLA.
Who are you trying to please here? Public opinion? Austen's feelings? CaseyAtyBat (talk) 05:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
"I was known for writing rather a lot of Marvel comics and a few DC comics a couple or more years back, and was notorious as the most hated man in comics for a period of time. Even I am not entirely sure why. Google my name if you’re curious, or visit Wikipedia where people who clearly don’t like me have made the reasons to dislike me sound almost intellectual and reasonable—even though they are largely untrue or very skewed." [1] --DrBat 03:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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Was this organization Austen's creation, or Joe Casey's? The Church first appeared during Casey's run on "Uncanny X-Men", yet the "Church of Humanity" entry here states it was created by Austen.--Fingerknöchelkopf 07:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
His JLA run isn't even mentioned. (and it was very good, for a few issues)(Artie85 (talk) 21:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC))
As this has become a meme, this needs at least a section within this article explaining its origin, as well as a link to the Newsarama and CBR interviews where he made the claims. As to adding the fact that a simple census of comic book forums would easily disprove Chuckles' number claim, I leave it to you kids to figure out how to add that info without someone coming along and trying to squash it under the excuse of "original research".
Removed the bit, since it's WAY too POV for the article (plus the term never really caught on, as far as comic fandom seeing it as Austen trying to negate legitimate criticism of his writings online). --BakerBaker (talk) 04:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Chuckles also did a six-issue Eternals mini for Marvel that was critically accepted, but had the misfortune of showing up when Chuckles' popularity was hitting the skids.
Re-reworked the Avengers section; more emphasis should be placed on Captain Britian/Lionheart and the use of Austen's second and final arc to launch the 2004 Invader series. The stuff with Hank Pym and Wasp should be downplayed, given how Bendis pretty much went into overdrive to pretty much reset the status quo on the two as soon as he took over the book, let alone how utterly unpopular that arc was. Onomatopoeia, see if you can find some links about the 2004 Invaders series for the Avengers section since Austen helped write that book's #0 issue.
I just spent quite a bit of time cleaning up and adding more info to Austen's controversial X-Men run. I put in many inline citations from reliable sources (WP:CITE) into the article. With so much sourced information from third party sources, the majority of all POV issues should be eliminated. Also, Austen IS controversial, so as of WP:SPADE, don't be shy to say so. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 14:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
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