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The article needs substantial editing: there are spelling mistakes, ambiguous pronouns ("... Banerjee enlisted ex-con Ray Colon. He wanted ..."), etc.
The article consists mostly of sentences that are short and choppy ("The man was an FBI informant."), or wordy, flowery and sentimental ("An ever devoted family man, Banerjee took his own life by hanging himself in his cell during the early morning hours ..."). In short, it reads like a popular true crime paperback.
No references are mentioned, either.
Hello please I would like to reference my article on Mr. Somen "Steve" Banerjee. It is well documented about his background from our country. A Bengali immigrant who created this dance group. [[1]] please comment. Thank you.
Hello Wikipedia world I added a helpful link to explain the Bengali heritage of Mr Somen Banerjee however I do not recognize the other person referenced in this history article. Mr Nahin. I have nothing in my notes with Mr Banerjee showing he was also the owner. Can someone help me please with documentation? Most thankful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoli rose (talk • contribs) 01:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
What about a brief paragraph concerning the 1995 spin-off boy-troupe in Great Britain, called the Chippendiddys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.145.90.130 (talk) 05:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I think this Banerjee person should get his own entry, for the Chippendales article is more about him than the dancers themselves.
I agree. Too often his authorship has been tampered with and there's a special story to his creating this iconic brand. Ericmalibu 23:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Hope someone knows where the name came from. Was it from a town, or is there any connection with the furniture-maker? 217.166.94.1I named it after the furniture in the club called Destiny II..Bruce A nahin
Alledgely it comes from the Chippendale-style furniture present at the original club though this may very well be apocryphal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.55.239 (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I worked for Steve Banerjee directly. From my experience in promoting Chippendales worldwide working with two, bi-coastal public relations firms, working with employees who were there in 1979 - Banerjee came up with the name Chippendales from looking through magazines. Banerjee came up with the name himself. He always liked playing with names and words since English was a third language for him. Banerjee was a creative genius and saw marketing potential quickly. The inside joke at the time when I was working at Chippendales is that the furniture never existed in the club. I welcome conversation or talk by my fellow editors. I propose a consensus to change this statement to "Steve Banerjee came up with the name Chippendales by seeing the name in a magazine. It sounded feminine to him and would attract a female audience." Ericmalibu 01:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I can answer just about any question on Chippendales and its origin. I was there and spoke to Steve on a daily basis. During a renovation of Destiny 2 there were 2 pieces of furniture put into the club. Chippendales-like. It is true that Steve was always looking thru magazines and what was trending at the time. He was very aware of what people thought. I would not say he was in any way a creative genius, but he was aware of what was happening. He alone came up with the name Chippendales. But the dancing itself .. he did not come up with. Wondering if the above is Gilbert. He was there .. after I was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShubhoBanerjee1957 (talk • contribs) 18:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi Eric my friend, We know each other well. Will talk soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShubhoBanerjee1957 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
I think this article is fine under Chippendales, but if it is under Chippendale dancers, then the article should be about the current/past dancers, not the origins of Chippendales.
I moved this back to Chippendales, but what a mess this article is. It reads more like a tabloid story. Stuff not related to the club should be in the individual biographies. Let's make the article about what it says it is. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, this article has ONLY biographical details about the owners. Nothing about the club itself, OR the dancers, except in the very first sentence. ("Chippendales is a nightclub best known for its erotic male dancing.") -- megA (talk) 11:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
How does one go about "Distancing the company from its somewhat risqué past", when it remains a strip act? It will always be porography, not merely risque. If they keep their clothes on it may be toned down to the level where it could be called only risque!
I did a heavy copy-edit on this article and brought it up to WP standards, so I removed the Cleanup tag. I had to excise a lot of detail and would be glad to have it back if it were cogent and to the point. This still need in-line sources, and the article really should not have been kept around so long without them. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
This article has so many problems, it would be better to completely rewrite it. The article does not explain the basic concept of The Chippendales, instead focusing solely on the early history of the act. There are too few sources. I would like to give this article a fresh start by replacing the content with a translation of the better German Wikipedia article.- Gilliam (talk) 04:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not a writer but would love to have our true story told..perhaps I do need my own page? anyway feel free to contact me at bruce.nahin@gmail.com for any questions you need answered — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.121.119 (talk) 16:09, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, can you please have all chronological former dancers names with the year of the beginning and the end? I want to credit the dancers because I like the Chippendales, it such an amazing group, it's not the first time that I doing that, the first one was deleted by a person because it was "poorly written and uncited." So, I create a new one and I'm waiting for more former names! ♡ Sunnyrxse (talk) 16:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be removed or subtracted: "and attorney Bruce Nahin purchased" Should read: Chippendales was founded in 1977 when Somen Banerjee, owner of Mobil gas stations in Playa Del Rey, purchased a backgammon club called "Destiny II" on 3739 Overland Avenue in Culver City, California.
Explanation of issue: I cannot edit this directly because of COI. I was a former employee under Steve Banerjee at Chippendales. I do not recognize the recent addition of Bruce Nahin's name as the co-owner of Destiny II. Steve Banerjee was always one hundred percent the owner of Easebe Enterprises and the full owner of Destiny II at that club address (3739 OVERLAND AVE , LOS ANGELES, CA, 90034). (Pronounced "S-B" as in the initials of Banerjee's name) as I was responsible for promoting Chippendales so I knew the history of the club. To verify my request I have submitted the California Alcohol Beverage Control board license for the nightclub at that time listing Easebe Enterprises as the owner. I welcome Talk and discussion about this proposed change with my fellow editors.
References supporting change: https://www.abc.ca.gov/licensing/license-lookup/single-license/?RPTTYPE=14&COMPANY=Y&LICENSEE=Easebe+Enterprises
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericmalibu (talk • contribs) 22:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
@Þjarkur and Thjarkur: Thanks Thjarkur. That reads cleanly. There were a lot of unsourced statements in the previous version. Steve "Somen" Banerjee was the owner and creator of this club and brand.
Hi fellow Wikipedia editors. I would like to invite a discussion of what statements to add in the Chippendales History article that are fact based with citations or verifiable references. I am an ex-employee so I have to abide by the COI guidelines. However I can contribute through the request edit template with verifiable sources and I can offer information and help through this Talk page. If you are an ex-employee or former contractor, please abide by the COI guidelines set forth by Wikipedia. If you are a paid editor please disclose your relationship. We want a trustworthy article that is fair, neutral and fact based. Not a PR vehicle or an advocacy for someone's role. Please feel free to contribute and discuss. Thank you. Let's make this an interesting article to read. Ericmalibu 00:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedia Editors:
I have researched that the U.S. Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit recognizes Banerjee as the sole shareholder of Easebe Enterprises (phonetically pronounced "S B" as in Steve Banerjee). I am hoping everyone who comments is of a neutral point of view. There has been quite a bit of vandalism on this page through the years in regards to false, unsourced claims by editors who are COI under different puppet names changing facts for the sake of advocacy or promotion. Now that the history page has been cleaned by consensus through reverting to a neutral point in time: my intent is to bring resourced facts to the Chippendales History article from a neutral point of view. Again respecting my own COI position but doing this openly and under the rules of COI. Hopefully we can discuss this in the spirit of Wikipedia if you have any questions or comments before I submit a request edit template for approval. Thank you. Ericmalibu 00:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
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Information to be added or removed: Steve "Somen" Banerjee created Easebe Enterprises in 1975 when he owned Mobile gas stations in Playa Del Rey. Easebe Enterprises is listed with the Secretary of State of California as being a corporation owned by Steve and Irene Banerjee. In 1977, Easebe Enterprises is listed by the California Alcohol Beverage Control board to be the owner of the club at 3739 Overland Ave Culver City, California. This club was originally Destiny II but then changed the name to Chippendales in 1979. Shareholder ownership of Easebe Enterprises, a California corporation, held by Banerjee is reaffirmed by the U.S. Court of Appeals 2nd Circuit in 1998. Explanation of issue: Researched incorporation with California Secretary of State and researched the California ABC board to show the background to Easebe Enterprises and Steve Banerjee's ownership. Researched U.S. Court of Appeals, 2nd Circuit listing Banerjee as owner of Easebe Enterprises. References supporting change:
I would appreciate that there be a discussion of this heavily researched request by any editors involved and not summarily dismissed. Please if you have dismissed a prior request to edit by me, do not patrol my request to edit to summarily dismiss again. I think this topic deserves the attention of a neutral and uninvolved editor. If I cannot receive a fair and impartial review, I will have to seek a 3O. Thank you for your consideration. Ericmalibu 21:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Just an FYI for all concerned. I am a COI editor on the Chippendales page because of my past employment. However I do have editing authority over any non-controversial elements including removing vandalism and cleaning up grammar as per my admin. I intend to make edit requests using the request template. I intend to make sure this page is neutral and fair but also verified. Thank you Ericmalibu 04:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
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Request to remove the sentence in Patrick Swayze and Chris Farley's "Saturday Night Live" Chippendales spoof skit. The skit was discussed during a horseback ride between Nahin and Swayze. Explanation of issue: Statement written by Nahin, himself about himself is COI and compromises OR (Original Research) without verification. There is no independent verification of this event. References supporting change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chippendales&diff=prev&oldid=579066691
Ericmalibu 17:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedia Editors. I would like to open a discussion to remove self published, Kindle book material from the Chippendales article. Specifically "K. Scot Macdonald and Patrick MontesDeOca: Deadly Dance: The Chippendales Murders Kindle Edition" The title and author's name are spelled wrong. Do we allow Kindle self published works to be listed as reference materials? Ericmalibu 19:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi Wikipedians, I would like to open a discussion to add a reference link to the British Independent Monday 13 December 1993 article on Steve Banerjee's arrest. Is this a valid source for stating some facts related to the Chippendales owner and founder's arrest? https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/cyanide-in-the-beefcake-somen-banerjee-inventor-of-the-chippendales-stands-accused-of-much-more-than-1467195.html Many thanks for an open discussion. Ericmalibu 14:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello Wikipedians. Sadly the history page for Chippendales has been vandalized multiple times in December to assert an undocumented narrative to promote certain individuals. Multiple entries have been made by editors with no history and some with COI. Inserting IMBD reference links which is not a Wikipedia valid reference. I am correcting the vandalism and restoring the page to August 29, 2020 that a senior editor had established as a clean reference page. Even though I have COI with this subject matter I can remove vandalism by restoring the page to a point in time established by senior editors. I will wait for feedback and discussion before doing this. Please comment if you have an issue with restoration. Thank you Ericmalibu 14:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Recently someone has cut all references to Steve Merritt's vital contributions to the history of Chippendales. Together with his partner Mark Donnelly, Merritt had the musical "Dream Street" running at the Dunes in Las Vegas from 1983 to 1987. In 1984 Steve Banerjee saw the show, loved it, and approached them to come up with a more theatrical version of Chippendales that would appeal to a wider and more "upscale" audience of women. Merritt and Donnelly then created a Broadway-style format for Chippendales with an MC, lavish dance numbers, sets and costumes. These changes were instramental in turning Chippendales into a world-wide phenomenon. When Steve Banerjee was about to go on trial, his wife Irene called Donnelly and asked him to testify for Steve at his trial, to which he agreed. Unfortunately, Banerjee hung himself in prison before he could be tried, and Merritt died of AIDS soon after. It is profoundly unfair to neglect his vital contribution to Chippendales, and as he is no longer able to protest for himself, I am here to do so for him. He deserves better.
The original Wikipedia article on Chippendales has been so bastardized and mutilated over the years it is now useless. It's unfortunate. My name is Mark Donnelly. I was Steve Merritt's writing/producing partner on three stage musicals and worked with him on the re-imagining of Chippendales. While I'm sure everyone has differening views of how, when, what and why things happened, and to what effect, I was there and can only offer my own personal history. Steve Merritt came to me in 1984 and said he had been asked by Steve Banerjee to see if he could come up with a way to make Chippendales more theatrical and appealing to a more "upscale" audience. I had never heard of the show, but when Merritt told me it was male strippers for a female only audience, I was intrigued. I suggested to him that we do a sort of reverse "Village People," aimed at women, with the strippers in various costumes - doctor, fireman, Indian chief, etc - and we took it to Banerjee, who approved. But, he had strict standards for the strippers. They had to be smooth (naturally hairless) over 6' tall, no moles or freckles or any kind of disfigurement. In other words, physically perfect. Merritt then spent weeks scouring the beach of Santa Monica and Venice looking for candidates - "Hey bud, want to be a stripper?" When I saw them file into the theater the first time I thought they were the most ridiculously beautiful men I had ever seen. They were not trained dancers, but Merritt had a unique talent for teaching untrained men how to "move" beautifully, and soon they were stripping like pros. He then added George Solomon as MC, 6 professional back up dancers, lavish costumes, sets and lighting, and the show went on to become a world-wide phenomenon. I knew all the strippers, including and especially the awesome Mike Rapp, and I also became friends with Irene Banerjee, Steve's wife, who asked me to be a character witness for her husband when he was in prison, but before I could do so he committed suicide. Steve Merritt continued to work with Chippendales, traveling the world, until he died in 1993 at the age of 47.
@Cullen328: Hello Cullen328. Same editor as before hijacked the Chippendales history page with multiple original research entries adding the same name without reference. This time under an anonymous handle. If you compare versions to April 4, 2021 you can see the only additions were this individual's name. Request an editor to revert back to April 5, 2021. Request protection again. I thought this was too much vandalism for me to revert so I wanted to request help. Thank you. Ericmalibu 16:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
This sentence is confusing “ In 1980, Chippendales successfully registered its "Cuffs and Collar" uniform as a trademark in 2003”
What year was it registered? 1980 or 2003? 98.37.252.86 (talk) 07:27, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the single instance of the name "Nahin" to the phrase "Chippendales attorney Bruce Nahin". Thanks. 67.188.1.213 (talk) 05:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
I would like to dispute this proposed change. And in fact ask to remove the name “Nahin” from the article because there is no citation to a verifiable reference such as a newspaper article or published book during the time. There are references to other attorneys (see citation 10) The document this citation references specifically states Stephen W. Feingold of Day Pitney LLP for Chippendales USA is the administering attorney for Chippendales . Ericmalibu 10:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
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template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:52, 17 December 2022 (UTC)@Paper9oll: I respectfully request in the interest of making the Chippendales article; legal section more factual to replace the (attorney) "Nahin" in relation to the Chippendales trademark application with attorney "Stephen W. Feingold of Day Pitney LLP" which is referenced in the #10 citation that has already been added in this article. I am assuming this issue needs to be discussed for consensus. Please advise if this is a simple edit or controversial edit. Thank you Ericmalibu 19:13, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
@Cullen328: @Þjarkur: @Paper9oll: Hello Cullen328, Þjarkur, Paper9oll I was trying to raise a discussion in Talk about changing the Chippendales legal page to remove Mr Bruce Nahin as the attorney of record with trademark registration and replace with Mr Stephen W Feingold which is verified in the #10 citation in the article to gain a consensus when an editor arbitrarily added Mr Nahin's name several times without citation including adding Mr Nahin as a partner with Steve Banerjee which is unsupported. Citations #7 & #8 use unreliable sources. L.A. Magazine, Vice News and an online publication called The Drill Online. These changes are unsupported but in concert with past vandalism of this page promoting this individual. Could you revert the page and reinforce the article protection? Regards Ericmalibu 11:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
@0mtwb9gd5wx: Hi 0mtwb9gd5wx, You made some edits on a semi protected page where there was suppose to be a consensus discussion on the Talk page about adding the name Bruce Nahin to the article on Chippendales. You cited questionable unreliable sources to reference as a citation and only added his name. One was adding Bruce Nahin as a partner. Which was based on an article interview with him from two online publications that are unreliable sources. The second was to add his first name to a legal matter where the attorney of record was Stephen W Feingold. This was suppose to be a consensus discussion. Also Newsweek magazine, a reliable source, of November 29, 2022 does not mention Bruce Nahin as partner or attorney. Could you explain please? Thank you. Ericmalibu 15:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
After Paul Emceed the first "Strip Contest.". I was brought in and began and seeing the contest and eventually changed it from a contest into a show. Part of my deal with Steve was that if I wrote this show and Emcee the one night a week Show...I would own the rights to it. I copyrighted the original Chippendale's Show" ... which featured women's fantasies with costumes by Tony and choreography by Enrique Flores. I was the MC from 1979 to 1982 Nick didn't get there till late 1981. Nick came in and tried to steal the show for me. I refused to sign over the Show. I sued them and it took 12 years to get them into court. I won and own the rights to the original Chippendale show which Steve continued to use with Nick in LA and in New York. Thru 1995. I won my case for copyright infringement.
If you go to YouTube and look at " For Ladies Only". You will see me performing my material. Nick was hired by Steve while I was out filming that movie.
Most of the Acts were created by me. The format and Emcee dialog was created by me. I have all the paperwork and National and international articles were written way before Nick came on board. I have the contracts about the use of my show. Also the court papers. Richard C Barsh The true creator and Emcee of Chippendale's. 2600:1702:9F1:1F20:D09E:6CB6:69B6:316F (talk) 03:15, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
First, let me say I have no personal interest in this article. I requested an edit simply to clarify which "Nahin" was being referenced in the "Legal Affairs" section of the article, not to support any of the other material in that section, never mind the claims Bruce Nahin has made regarding his role in the history of the club.
That said, it took me only a minute to find a contemporary mention in a reliable source confirming that Bruce Nahin was an attorney representing Chippendales, a Los Angeles Times article from February 1985 titled "Chippendales Agrees to Policy on Hiring, Admitting Blacks":
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-02-12-me-3874-story.html
There's also an article from Time magazine that refers to "Banerjee and his partner, lawyer Bruce Nahin" but I think it's a case of a usually reliable source publishing an unreliable article because, hey, it's only an entertainment story, it doesn't have to be true. :-)
https://time.com/6235751/welcome-to-chippendales-hulu-true-story/
So I think it's reasonable to mention Nahin in the "Legal Affairs" section, but additional references would be required to support the specific claims in that section. (Specifically, I think the confusion between "in 1980" and "in 2003" in that same sentence must be resolved-- most easily by removing "in 1980"-- or the sentence simply removed, which would remove any reference to Nahin from the article, and that's fine with me.) 67.188.1.213 (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Propose to add as a source July 1, 1988 Los Angeles Times article listing Gloria Allred, attorney for plaintiff in discrimination lawsuit against owner of Chippendales, Steve Banerjee. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-07-01-me-6301-story.html Ericmalibu 08:44, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please refer to inspired film full monty 31.111.78.54 (talk) 14:53, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, I do not understand the requested edit. Refer what to the inspired film "Full Monty"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:C:5010:0:0:0:3 (talk) 15:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)