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A punishment reserved for sex offenders where? --Oldak Quill 23:05, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Is the same procedure used for female sexual offenders? Or is it more appropriate to simply pat them on the head and say 'run along' and 'write a book about your experiences' ?
I edited the "California" section. It previously said that offenders must accept chemical castration, "or accept physical castration". That's a very bold statement, and not supported by its citation, so I removed it. nhinchey (talk) 23:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC) This is one of manifold instances of misandry in our disturbed society of troglodytes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8800:7DD:C879:81CC:C79E:6FE2 (talk) 23:32, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
A recent publication in the Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law suggests that the side effects are more serious than this wikipedia article suggests. Increased risks of diabetes, obesity, depression and coronary disease mean that, according to the authors 'testosterone deprivation therapy should include careful monitoring of side affects and their prevention and treatment. How should we change the article? Brrrtje
An assertion of "no evidence of adverse side effects," from a study more than 30 years old? On its face, this is suspect. Most medications have side-effects in at least some patients. Here, we're expected to accept the 100% absence of negative side-effects in an entire population forced to ingest a hormonal contraceptive. Doesn't pass the laugh test. A mere glance at the Depo-Provera article is sufficient to restore sensible balance.drone5 (talk) 12:41, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I think "chemical castration" is very strange term for this procedure. If I were heavily sedated, I wouldn't be able to walk, but I've never heard anyone call sedatives "chemical leg amputation". I can't figure out if this is some weird medical jargon (like calling a miscarriage a "spontaneous abortion") or a propaganda word made up by someone who doesn't (or does?) like it (like "female circumcision"). On the other hand, I can't think of a good name that is more accurate; "intentional drug-induced male sexual impotence" is sort of cumbersome. Will look around for other terms and consider a redirect. Boris B 02:28, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Sure it shouldn't redirect to 'chemically induced impotence' or similar? 'Chemical castration' would be more like using sulphuric acid to remove the reproductive organs, or a string soaked in zippo fluid as the rubber band. Although I suppose that would be 'pyrocastration.' At the same time, I can't say I've been snuck up on and jabbed with this stuff (dang near a dozen times now), but mostly it just makes you really sick, as in you abandon your family. Far as I can tell, it doesn't make you unable at all, just unwilling. Keep (jabee) away from the kids, I get that but I think the real value of this stuff [depo-provera and especially the ghetto depo-proveras] (to the people that use it on other people a lot) is that it makes it so they can go to the wife and say 'why is this guy spending all his time with hookers' and split up the family and get access to the newly-on-the-market wife that way, as well as the guys kids. As an aside here, see ku, specifically the references to 'poisoning with the purpose to acquire great wealth.'
Also, how many 'your father went out for cigarettes and never came back he must not love you' -type incidents do you suppose have been caused by this stuff, without trying to bring SHARPS or SAPRO into it.
Also I notice goading people into a reaction so they can hit them with a bicycle crank and say they were defending themselves seems to be another popular, effective use of the sneakjab. Incidentally, cycada is worse, because that'll _really_ screw up your memory too and makes it just about impossible to function in school, professionally, socially, etc. It's especially effective in getting convictions in criminal cases too, especially if the targetee is innocent. Also for active ingredient we should likely be looking at the NECC/Ameridose poisoning incident and not on the labeling. A little exserohilum or powdery mildew goes a long way when youre injecting 'biopharmaceuticals,' I'm sure.
However, the 'chemical sterilisation' disambiguation link to the very article this is the talk page for, as you can readily verify for yourself, says "For the administration of medication designed to reduce libido and sexual activity, see chemical castration," so they are admitting it doesn't make incapable, just reduce. Hence it should be '[chemically] induced impotence' and not '[...] castration,' or the sterilisation page should be changed to 'incapable.' For consistency.
Also, should we mention the antidote, using herbalife herbal supplements as a body wash or kiestering a square inch of bacon? just kidding. Although I still wonder where 'buccaneers' really comes from. And dont forget the kelvar shorts! Especially if you're going to the bike shop - 55378008a (talk) 06:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Have there been any attempts to use prolactin in addition or instead of the other treatments? Obviously there is the risk of causing lactation so I assume the dose would have to be low and might not be effective but it sounds like something which could help Nil Einne 16:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Recomment merge of Compulsory castration in California into this article. I don't see the need for a separate article Bwithh 05:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Merging seems like good idea. Centralize coverage rather than several small articles. Zodon (talk) 00:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I felt that the statement “Most men will receive 400mg to 500mg per week, equal to 2.5 ml in each buttock. In some cases, men given oral doses as high as 700 mg/day have still reported regular sexual arousal and fantasies” was unclear. Which drug is being refereed to here, Depot Provera, tamoxifen, the Herb chrysin, or something else? Although the statement tends to lean to Depot Provera, I don’t believe it is explicit enough. Since every drug has different dosage requirements, it is important to be clear on this subject. Since I am not a doctor I do not have the medical knowledge make this change. 69.247.112.220 06:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
"Chemical castration also occurs as a natural consequence of hormone treatment for male-to-female transsexualism. However, unlike the treatment used on sex offenders, the hormones commonly used lead to permanent infertility.[1]"
Except this reference has nothing to do with infertility caused by MTF HRT. Perhaps this should go somewhere else? Nebarnix 20:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
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Is Alan Turing's sexuality under question, or are they questioning whether or not he was chemically castrated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.143.135.191 (talk) 14:05, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I contest the point purported in this article, that says recidivism rates among sexual offenders is very high. One, "very high" is relative and doesn't relay much. What constitutes very high? Secondly, in the sexual offender article I believe it says recividism rates are less than 5%, and in some cases less than 1%. Can someone verify? 125.161.213.109 (talk) 07:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I looked at the link cited by that particular statement ( recidivism rates being "very high" ) and the site it links to says that recidivism rates are approx. 5.3% after 3 years. I don't think any normal human being considers this "very high". I most definitely think this should be removed or rewritten, as the statement and the information in the link contradict one another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.26.238 (talk) 16:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Recidivism rates are very low compared to other crimes: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.199.91.229 (talk) 19:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Thisglad argument for reverting 173.16.26.238 removal of the recidivism rate comment was "it was sourced". But the source doesn't state that the recidivism rates of sex offenders are "very high". It merely gives a number as a result from a study, higher than other recidivism rates (like murder), much lower than others (like other crimes) in the same study. Recidivism rates are a debated topic. I proposed a wording that may be more neutral : "are considered high". At the very least, I don't think it is reasonable to keep the "are very high" wording. 69.204.249.129 (talk) 18:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Registered Sex Offenders have the lowest rates next to murder. This article has either biased or ignorant information which needs to be filled with actual numbers rather then emotional vagueness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.101.124.18 (talk) 14:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of the recidivism rate until its inclusion can be justified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.6.48.199 (talk) 22:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Seems like Chemical castration and Medroxyprogesterone acetate treatment are both covering the same topic (from different angles - law enforcement vs. medical). Since both articles relatively undeveloped, suggest they be merged. Don't know which would be the more appropriate title for combined article. Zodon (talk) 09:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Am not sure how to reply so I've clicked on edit. I don't think this should be merged into the other page, as the other page is about a specific trial using a specific chemical and this page is about chemical castration in general. 94.196.52.119 (talk) 22:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
There is a link to a news page about SSRIs being used for chemical castration of paedophiles due to their known side effects. Although there is no doubt that this is a side effect of SSRIs (I have permanant PSSD (total loss of libido)from taking paxil years ago) I cannot find any evidence that it's been used specifically for this purpose. I wish it were the case as, if a accurate source could be cited, more people would accept PSSD as a result of the medication, rather than say it's psychological.
The article that was used as a citation does not make it clear if SSRIs were used to chemically castrate paedophiles or if it was just part of the overall treatment program (which included therapy) to prevent them reoffending. 94.196.52.119 (talk) 22:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I think the article was fairly clear that the SSRIs were being used as part of a treatment program, not as another method of chemical castration. The quote is "Treatment which focuses on reducing libido is unlikely to be offered in isolation. Alongside counselling, many sex offenders are prescribed anti-depressants." So counselling and antidepressants are both referred to as adjuncts to treatment for reducing libido. I've removed the comment in the article. In any case, serotoninergic antidepressants reduce sex drive enough for it to be a serious side effect, but not nearly reliably or severely enough to use them primarily for that purpose. Inhumandecency (talk) 17:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
How efficient is compulsive chemical castration? Some people involved in such treatment in Sweden have claimed that chemical castration only works on a voluntary basis since sex drive is easily restored with anabolic steroids. If so the treatment may only work for sex offenders which has committed their crimes in desperate need for sex but not offenders motivated by other psychological factors. For example it may not work at all for male rapeists motivated by a need to disprove their own feeling of being subordinate to women. If I understand it correctly, antiandrogens have only marginal effect on women. So antiandrogen treatment should have little effect on female sex offenders. Anyone who can verify this?
2009-08-18 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.
short answer: so far, no
The article should consider examining whether the widespread use of chemical castration on pedophile priests has ever been suggested by experts within the Roman Catholic Church, and whether such a policy would have any noticeable effects on efforts to reduce clerical crimes and abuses. A related issue would be to verify whether non-pedophiles among the priesthood could benefit from this as well, on a voluntary basis, in a bid to correctly maintain their celibacy, like what certain eunuchs of the early Church were doing (cf biography of Melito of Sardis the eunuch). ADM (talk) 04:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
The article begins the history section with the 1980s, but I read an article this morning stating that Alan Turing underwent chemical castration in 1952 as punishment for having a homosexual relationship. BillyDinPVD (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC). see http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/09/11/alan.turing.petition.apology/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.154.202.4 (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Many men after receiving chemical castration develop breasts, it might be a stretch, but i believe this is permanent physical and psychological damage done to the body directly caused by the introduction of chemicals. I think that sentence needs to be removed, or a clause added discussing permanent side effects —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.46.56 (talk) 19:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I know this by no means carries the credibility of a scientific study, but it's an interesting case that came before the Victorian Mental Health Review Board (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VMHRB/2006/3.html). The man in it had been on mandatory 300mg per week of Depo Provera for approx 5 years after committing an unstated sex offense. No breasts, but he developed osteoperosis which is a known risk when women take Depo Provera at a standard dose of 150mg per 3 months. This man is on a dose 2400% higher than indicated for contraception in women. It makes sense that the risk of osteoperosis would be greatly increased.Billy Tallent (talk) 09:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
The article should make mention of use on women, even if it is to state that it is not used on women, because, as some above comments indicate, depo-provera's effects on females. I won't add anything since I no absolutely nothing on the subject, but it should be added to flesh out the article, at least, and make it more complete. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 06:18, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
because it is part of Castration article. Can someone help me please? Rustam-aka (talk)Rustam-aka
The vast majority of chemical castration is not for judicial purposes, but rather for medical reasons: either cancers or transsexualism. There should be a section on its use for cancer, and another for its use in transgender. Chemical castration is actually very common, but not for judicial purposes discussed in the current article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.66.38 (talk) 04:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC) I added a section about chemical castration therapy for advanced prostate cancer. I suggest a split between criminal chemical castration, gender modification chemical castration and medical chemical castration. My understanding is that castration in the criminal sense seems to have a high failure rate. I can only quote my wife, a retired psychologists. Too much to do on the cancer side to work on criminal matters.Bgordski (talk) 01:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Medical castration (MC) for males is the removal of the testicle/s for cancerous growth or for removal of the gonadal hormone (T), in humans. It is either permenant removal of the testicles (orchiectomy) or temporarily, by hormone therapy drugs that cause a time limited drop in (T) production. Orchiectomy is necessary for the treatment of testicular cancer and was used as early as 1890 as a mostly unsuccessful treatment for prostate cancer (CaP). Male (T) is 290-1300ng/dL in males under 50 years old.
CaP is known formally as carcinoma of the prostate. Only humans born male will have a prostate gland. One/sixth of the male population[[1]] or in 2010, 217,730 in the US will get PCa and 32,050 will die of the uncontrolled castrate resistant PCa CRPC, androgen independent AI or hormone refractive PCa HRPC[[2]].
It is thought that this number is so high because of a diet high in fats (lipids) and carcinogenic exposures. Some 2010 information points to varicocele which can bathe the prostate in excess (T). Varicocele is due to an anatomical weakness in male humans which can cause a failure of a one-way valve in a vein in the groin. This leads to varicose veins of the scrotum (varicocele).[[3]] There are also some carcinoma concern regarding the virus XMRV which has been found in CaP tissue. [[4]][[5]]
CaP's primary therapy is either surgical removal of the prostate gland :: radical prostatectomy , some form of radiation treatment, cryotherapy or ultrasound that destroys the prostate gland.
CaP therapy involving hormone manipulation is the science of endocrinology specifically the sex steroids. In CaP treatment it is used primarily to block the production of gonadal (T). The secondary (T) from the adrenal glands is usually controlled by blocking the (T) receptors. Different manufacturers describe this process with their own terms: hormone ablation or by its specific hormone name androgen with the therapy called androgen deprivation therapy (ADT).
In 1941, Charles B. Huggins published studies in which he used estrogen to oppose testosterone production in men with metastatic prostate cancer. This discovery of "chemical castration" won Huggins the 1966 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. The role of the hormone GnRH in reproduction was determined by Andrzej W. Schally and Roger Guillemin, who both won the 1977 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for this work.
ADT is used for advanced CaP patients. In the Jewel cancer staging system, the CaP designation is D2. Using the newer T,N,M system the CaP is listed as T3, N0, M0 or higher. These are patients who have failed primary therapy. This is also called biochemical failure. The biochemical marker of CaP is a rising prostate cancer antigen PSA which is measured as a blood sample. The normal range of PSA is between 2.0-4.0 ng/mL ADT is also a form of cancer therapy which is part of an oncology medicial practice and is grouped as chemotherapy although it is not cytotoxic unlike so many other chemodrugs.
CaP in its early stages is driven by the hormone (T). When it was discovered that surgical castration could temporarily block the spread of CaP; ADT drugs were developed. One of these ADT drugs is zoladex (Goserelin Acetate) , a luteinizing hormone releasing-hormone LHRH agonist.[[6]] It is given as an injection, called a depot injection, into the abdominal fatty tissue. It blocks the hypothalamus from signalling the pituitary gland to produce a hormone gonadotropin that the gonads (testicles) (Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone Receptor)
(GnHR) recognize as a signal to produce (T). This signal from the hypothalamus to the pituatary is normally only an intermittent squirt and when too much is produced the body shuts down gonadal (T) production. This stoppage continues as long as the pituatary gland is blocked from sending the GnRH signal. [7]
A level at or below 20.0 ng/dL (T) is considered castrate level.[8]
The adrenal glands (T) is suppressed by a different approach using an antiandrogen drug like the teratogen casodex (Bicalutamide) [[9]]. This drug blocks normal androgen receptors so all (T) is blocked. These drugs are sometime given together because of the way the LHRH agnostic functions. Before the pituitary gland shuts down the production of (T) it causes a temporary surge (flare) of (T) which can cause any bone metastasis to be painful. When used with an LHRH agonist, Casadex is given as a 50mg pill (in the US) with a 30 day supply and is taken orally daily.
There is no indication that a lowered testosterone level inhibits sex drive nor for that matter aggresion. The causant of all aggresion is an attempt to resolve an internal or externally impinging irritant, and neither of those two have anything to do with testosterone levels.
Case in point, before you start blurbing original research to satisfy some form of political current day rational: A woman´s testosterone level is LOWER than a males, HOWEVER, it is overall true that females are fastly more aggresive than males although not in the same form nor manner. It is also true, that OLD age lowers the testosterone level, BUT, does NOT lower the aggresive drive to REMOVE irritants (and that gentlemen, is clearly visible in most any political process. The politician being both the aggresor and the beaten dog at the same time, some form of sado-masochistic drive to scratch an itch called irritant.)
Lot´s and lot´s of studies, from prison studies to army studies to bully sindrome and groupism.
Castration, does NOT lower the incidence of child molestation, NOR aggresion, it changes the form and manner that an internal or external irritant is reacted too.
For those with some scientific interest, the correlational data is MASKED by and through a third variable, and that variable is not sex drive, nor aggresion, but irritants and resolving in such a form and manner that those irritants no longer impinge on the neuronal system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.94.180.110 (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Ahhh, and one smallish detail, the above statement. POST, is never PRE. Castration does not lower the incidence because those that follow within the overall SD conglomerate, aren´t castrated, therefore each post inhibited does not inhibit a pre, especially if your legislation is off such a manner that the penalization onto an allready overstressed and depresive instance is none-existant.
Cases of kidnapping and sex molestation are cases of KIDNAPPING, and NOT cases of child molestation and should not be handled as if they were anything BUT, cases of kidnapping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.94.180.110 (talk) 19:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay I’m not sure who said all this above but it’s completely false. Men are more aggressive than women. That’s been tested over and over. Higher testosterone levels are associated with aggression. This is why steroids cause increased aggression. Lower levels decrease aggression. This is also known. This “irritants and resolving” argument is silly. The data is not masked by such a variable because first off aggression part of resolving it. You successfully argued that testosterone levels apparently don’t effect aggression because it just so happens that people with higher levels of testosterone are more likely to have irritants that are not resolved… This reeks of narratives about sexual offenses that suggest that they are only about power and sex drive plays no role. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1007:B030:3EBF:B92F:834A:C1E8:CFBD (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
The whole article seems a bit rusty and wrong if you ask me. Right from the first sentence it clearly specifies that chemical castration is to reduce libido, and since "castration" can also be synonymous with oophorectomy, or to lower libido in general as if for gonad removal, it's contradictory to assume that the function is only applicable to males because they have testicles when the ovaries are the anatomical equivalent. Also, it's been proven that removal of the ovaries is very common to cause HSDD in women, among vaginal dryness, lack of sexual urges, and many other factors, including automatic menopause, all due to the loss of testosterone that the ovaries provide, which is roughly 50% or more in some cases. Since no one has fixed that problem, I will.
I feel the need for more information on the main page about what kind drugs there are. I'm not so good about searching these names online/ofline can somone please add them ? maybe in a colum whise manour? tnx Retrorick wikipedia (talk) 19:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm curious no one has mentioned Brock Turner in this context. With the memory loss, that sounds like habu or Bothrops atrox (batroxobin). Am I correct, people never mention commonly attributed to marijuana -type memory loss or even 'apathy' as a symptom of the progesterones? Or am I missing something. It happens. 55378008a (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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Apologies, I'm still new to editing here and the article is semi-protected so unable to edit directly, but the paragraph right after the Scientific Critique section beginning with:
"Spaying is observed to cause female animals to stop mating in the same way as castration causes male animals to stop mating. However, in animal species where females continue their mating behaviour after being spayed, the males also continue to mate after being castrated..." should be completely removed or at least extensively reworked. It feels random and completely unrelated to the previous section, and really to the topic as a whole. Chimera22 (talk) 09:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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Edit "hot flahes" to "hot flashes", as this is clearly a simple typo. 51.9.253.240 (talk) 19:45, 26 January 2024 (UTC)