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Different dates than in Find-A-Grave. Lincher 18:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Certainly merge. It is the same person. Hmains 04:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed the Colonel Conrad S. Babcock quotation, accusing it of being gratuitous hearsay. Mr. Spike Toronto has seen fit to put it back, denying that it is gratuitous hearsay because it is from a book.
I will argue the points:
1. It is hearsay: It is hearsay because the claim is not made that Babcock has thorough knowledge of the scene, only that he "did not hear of" part of the claim made in the official commendation. This does not rise to the level of useful documentation, it is one man's remembered experience in one book. In fact General Summerall had a lifelong history of heroism, including presence at front lines. If you wish to contradict a commendation which so perfectly fits what is known about Summerall from many sources, you'll need to provide something a bit more robust.
2. It is gratuitous: How does this quotation fit in what is otherwise a concise and to-the-point biographical entry? It seems out of place, almost to the level of vandalism. There are many, many things said about anyone who leads the United States military. Do they all deserve to be here? I would argue that given the granularity of the information on this page this kind of quote is completely out of place.
I have to ask you, what was the motivation behind placing it here and maintaining it's presence, Mr. Toronto? Do you have some sort of antipathy to General Summerall?
Spokenriotto (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
One of Wikipedia’s core policies is WP:NPOV. The comments from regimental commander Colonel Babcock, which another editor added, would seem to fit with WP’s goals of neutrally balanced wikiarticles. It also satisfies WP’s most important core policy, namely verifiability. Given those two points, the comment cannot be seen as gratuitous.
Finally, your comment regarding “some sort of antipathy to General Summerall” skates awfully close to violating WP’s policy against personal attacks (WP:NPA). Moreover, it is not supported by the facts. While I cannot speak to the motivation of the editor that added Colonel Babcock’s comments, I consider General Summerall to be a great man. Otherwise, I would not have spent time cleaning up the article. I may not like the addition of the Babcock quote, but I saw no reason it should not be included. Thus, my edits from March sought only to properly format it for the article after another editor had added it. Also, if you look back a year ago, you will see my concern with the use of the word vainglorious, hence why I added a ((Fact)) tag. I would like to have deleted the sentence altogether since I consider it factually incorrect. (The comments, smacking of original research, were removed in November 2009 by an IP-only editor.)
Here’s the bottom line: While I may consider Summerall an American hero, wikieditors are not permitted by Wikipedia’s policies to allow our own biases to affect the requirement for balanced and verifiable articles. — SpikeToronto 05:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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