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Saranyaforlag had added two comments to the article. I have moved them to the discussion page (where they belong). Here they are, with a comment of myself:
I disagree. The word qīdài 期待 can be translated into English as "hope for", "look forward to" and "expect", but to say that it has the meaning "to expect" is just a trick that works only with people who don't know Chinese, because qīdài 期待 always implies a desire, such as in qīdàizhe nǐ zǎorì xuéchéng guīlái 期待着你早日学成归来 or jué bù gūfù nín de qīdài 决不辜负您的期待.
This is also supported by the context, by what Chai Ling went on to say: "And what is truly sad is that some students, and some famous, well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking this measure", i.e. bringing about a bloodshed.
Chai Ling claimed in a letter to the New York Times that qīdài 期待 should have been translated as "to expect". She consciously tried to mislead the public.
Saranyaforlag's second comment:
I agree that the article should be cleared up, but I think that quote makes sense here. And BlueShirts is right: She's a damn hypocrite. —66.98.206.97 05:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted changes made by 206.104.58.62 (IP address of Jenzabar, Inc SPRINTLINK). A user at the company run by Chai Ling herself and her husband deleted the whole article and replaced it with a text supposedly copied from the Harvard Business School Bulletin. That's vandalism - please stop. —Babelfisch 01:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I have removed most of the text from this article because it is unsourced and is drawing WP:OTRS complaints. Please rebuild the article with due regard to reliable sources and references. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 03:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Chai Ling kept coming back and deleting the whole section. I am not familiar with the formating, can someone help out here in reverting the whole article? - sarahsarah Oct 10, 06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sarahsarah (talk • contribs) 08:20, 12 October 2006.
In this Chinese name, the family name is Chai. |
Chai Ling (Chinese: 柴玲; Pinyin: Chái Líng) (born 15 April 1966) was one of the leaders in the Tian'anmen Square protests of 1989.
Chai Ling was born in the city of Rìzhào in Shāndōng province. She graduated from Beijing University in 1987 and then undertook graduate study in Beijing Normal University concentrating on child psychology.
She emerged as one of the student leaders on the Square at a later stage of the movement, and although there was no official power rested in her post, for which she was constantly referred to as the icon fighter of democracy.
The most controversial aspect of her role in the protests was her uncompromising stand on the Tian'anmen Square. Her tactics centered on publicly shaming the communist Chinese government for its callous disregard for its people. She was argubly the main factor that resulted in the ultimate failure of Tian'anmen movement which ended with PLA's crackdown. The contrast between her high-profile in the movement and subsequent distancing from the democratic movement after the crackdown made her vulnerable to the accusation that she was an opportunistic and calculating fame-seeker only interested in improving her social and financial situation at the cost of others, in the name of democracy.
In an interview with American journalist Philip Cunningham on May 28, 1989, she stated:
She was on the wanted list by the Chinese government. She fled from China in April 1990, with the help of Hong Kong-funded organizations, and completed a beautifying plastic surgery while in exile, claiming that this would help conceal her identity. After 10 months of hiding, she settled in Paris, France, where she immediately divorced her then-husband, Fēng Cóngdé (封从德), once she accepted a full scholarship to Princeton University. She later received an honorary Masters degree in Political Science from Princeton University. After this, she served as a junior consultant at Bain & Co., a leading strategic consulting firm, during 1993-1996 in its Boston office.
Then she moved on to acquire an MBA at Harvard Business School in 1998. She runs a software company with her current husband, Robert A. Maginn Jr., who was the vice president and partner of the Boston office of Bain & Co. Maginn was instrumental in the hiring of Chai into Bain, a controversial move fiercely opposed by Bain's Asian partners for the fear of provoking the Chinese government. After rampant rumors of an affair between the two, Maginn divorced his wife to marry Chai.
They now co-run the software company Jenzabar.
Chai and Maginn Jr. were sued by five former executives and Harvard Business School for "a number of illegal actions."[2]
"Today, I am living the American dream," Chai told Parade magazine in June of 2003. She also serves as a trustee to a few local education institutes in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where she resides.
She repeatedly declined an interview for the documentary film on the 1989 student demonstrations, "Gate of Heavenly Peace," released in 1995.
She reportedly made a trip to China seeking business opportunities in 2005.
[[Category:1966 births|Ling, Chai]] [[Category:Living people|Ling, Chai]] [[category:Chinese dissidents]]
Someone has posted:
"She reportedly made a trip to China seeking business opportunities in 2005 intending to return and settle in China on seeing the "American Dream" is really financial disasters, bankruptcies, over 10% unemployment and families living in tents in public parks."
Can someone tell who posted this paragraph? Although I can't sustain that it is not true, at first glance it seems to be a fallacy and there is no citation to any source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mppf (talk • contribs) 05:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Anonymous user 206.104.58.62 (IP address allocated to Jenzabar, Inc, SPRINTLINK): Don't vandalise this discussion. See Wikipedia guidelines on Behavior that is unacceptable on talk pages. —Babelfisch 06:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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The new addition to the article [3] contains markers [1] and [2] which seems to refer to sources. If these are not mentioned, the statemants inkluding Chai Ling quotes are not sourced all the same, and the material should be removed. / habj (talk) 22:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
The article is more like a marketing page for Chai Ling. This is surely a misuse of Wikipedia. 86.178.73.202 (talk) 18:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Why has the article been re-written to leave out a large chunk of her life? Surely she was famous for the deaths in Tiananmen Square ref: June 4 1989, and the article should cover this is some details, which it used to do but has now been sanitised (by Chai Ling?). 86.176.48.180 (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
(discussion moved from Off2riorob's talk)
Hello
I wish to restore the content that was removed on the Chai Ling article by user Scott McDonald- notably her Christian testimony and information about the All Girls Allowed (AGA) initative. The reason given for their removal was that they were not encyclopeic- yet both were referenced, and supported by the AGA website. Chai Ling's testimony also appears on the China Aid site here: http://www.chinaaid.org/downloads/sb_chinaaid/ChaiLingstestimony6_13_2010.pdf
I do not understand why you claim I have violated copyright laws? The information is factual and from another open public forum, and I would have thought it would be useful to anyone visiting Chai Ling's page. Please could you explain in simple language what I would need to do in order to satisfy your requirements (I am new to wikipedia and I don't understand all the jargon!)Aurora07 (talk)
Hi- surely whether the information is notable or not is a matter of opinion? It is a biographic page, and when someones beliefs changes the course of their life (and in this case it is the reason that Ling has established AGA) then I would count that as notable! I would be happy to cut it to a few lines though and link to the website- the reason it was more lengthy is that someone more experienced in wikipedia suggested that putting more positive content on their would detract from the slander that some people have been placing on the page. I was the one who flagged up that slander is being placed on there, so it is a bit annoying that it is now the positive content that is being so challenged! I understand that we need to be compliant with copyright laws though and will try to make approriate adjustments. What about the information about AGA that user Scott McDonald had also removed? If I shorten it could that be placed back on there? Thanks Aurora07 (talk) 19:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Robb here. That her religion changed is notable, and perhaps a sentence to describe where and when. But we follow sources, and unless you can show independent media interest etc in the details, then it isn't notable enough for a biography. Perhaps this discussion is best moved the the article's talk page so others can see it.--Scott Mac 19:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I took it on myself to change "bring God's love" to "bring Christianity to China". The former is hardly unbiased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.72.244.157 (talk) 13:45, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised no one from Jenzabar (the company) has created a company page. It is odd that I got redirected to this page when I was trying to find out about the company and its products. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.112.206.6 (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
I made a bunch of edits to the article to remove hagiographic elements and cut down on bloat (such as stating her entire educational history twice or details of how and where Chai got baptized). I also removed elements that could only be verified by her autobiography (2x Nobel Peace Prize nomination) since that doesn't adhere to wiki:BLP. Please discuss these changes here before reverting them back. Thank you. Lostromantic (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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has RS. plz add AAAAA143222 (talk) 21:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
ADifferentMan - please explain this edit. There was a mismatch between what the source was saying and what the content was saying. Politixsperson (talk) 03:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
In 2009, Chai and her firm have launched multiple lawsuits against the film's non-profit producers, the Long Bow Group...