GA Review

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Reviewer: Векочел (talk · contribs) 08:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Will look at this shortly Векочел (talk) 08:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not so familiar with Cai Lun but from what I can see you did a good job covering him. Passing now. Векочел (talk) 09:09, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Query on review

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Векочел, the nominator asked me to look at this, since it appears that you began the review at 08:58 and passed the nomination 11 minutes later. I do not understand how you would have had time to closely read the article for prose, much less check against all of the GA criteria, including verifying the sources and their content against the article. It is troubling that you didn't find a single correction that needed to be made: not a typo, punctuation error, or some infelicitous prose.

I then took a look at a few of your other reviews, and for the most they're also passes without any comments or corrections or requests for fixes. And after that, I looked at Cai Lun article, and found a number of prose issues. Just as an example, the second paragraph under "Global influence" could use a copyedit, as the first several sentences have missing or not-quite-right words, unclear referents, and other problems.

I would like to suggest that you revert your passage of this GA nomination and get a second opinion, or perhaps a GAN mentor; this appears to be representative of your review output, and you need some guidance on how a complete review explicitly covering all the criteria should be conducted. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: You are right...I now revert the passage of the nomination and hand the duties over to you Векочел (talk) 02:19, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for putting me back in my place. I suppose I was overconfident of my ability to carry out a review. It certainly at times is not easy being a Wikipedian, let alone a “good” Wikipedian. Векочел (talk) 02:41, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kingsif

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I'll take over this review Kingsif (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Aza24: Thanks for the work, the prose looks better and at this point my concern holding this back is the lead length. It's still too long. This is really one of the criteria that focuses on the readers of Wikipedia. The length of a lead does give readers an impression of the length of an article, and what they're getting into - here, it still doesn't accurately reflect that length and should be shorter. Kingsif (talk) 18:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Aza24: I trimmed it down for you. Leads do not need to - and should not - include every detail and date. They introduce the subject and why it's notable in the first paragraph, and subsequent paragraphs can summarize the 'big picture'. It's now sufficient, but the style that was present throughout this article before suggests to me that perhaps you should get more experience writing Wikipedia articles before putting them through GA. Kingsif (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever. The lead now reads like a boring pamphlet that I'm forced to accept for you to pass this review. Readers will almost always only read the lead, and now they are left with information that doesn't even include what he did to improve paper, how he was a eunuch (which was a significant detail that dictated what positions he was eligible for) and original research (he didn't arrive at court in 75, he is known to have been there by then). After all of this, what do you do? Insult me – unbelievable. Aza24 (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Thank you for the review. This was an article which I wrote the bulk of a while ago, I am confident that my writing has improved since then and I adamantly disagree that I need “more experience”. I will likely tweak the lead around in the future when/if this goes to FAC, and will be sure to discuss with reviewers there about the appropriate size. Aza24 (talk) 20:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's up to you. I crossed out my comments above, which I thought was clear that I had rescinded them, but if not I do apologize – I've been having a very rough week if that's any explanation. I have no idea where your idea of me being an "ass bout Wikipedia MOS" is coming from. We both interpret the MOS different and that is completely fine as it is a guideline, not a rule. Aza24 (talk) 22:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]