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umm, surely bipedalism renders the creature slower not faster.
Any four footed creature can run faster than a two legged primate.
Surely the advantage of bipedalism is the ability to see further, since the eyes are higher? The evolutionary advantage of early bipeds was to hunt intelligently in groups, in the way chimpanzees can, not an ability to outrun something!! Another possible advantage of bipedalism is that you present a smaller area to the sun, and dont overheat in the daytime.
I see no evidence to support the idea that early bipeds could outrun even a small cat. Neither could we outstamina anything, outclimb anything, or out stealth anything. All we could do was outsmart the opposition!
Human walking is extremely efficient. No chimp can could come remotely close to the ability of a human to walk long distances while using little energy.
Why are there dagger symbols next to each of the species? Can they be removed? Badagnani 00:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I can't believe an article as important as this one includes no references. Please help supply some ASAP. --1000Faces (talk) 18:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The article says that A. ramidus is "not considered a hominid ancestor," yet goes on to discuss how discovery of ardipithecus' bipedal traits challenge "current theories of the origins of hominid bipedalism." There is conflict within the statements of the article as to whether this Ardipithecus should be considered a hominid ancestor, and the sources cited appear to be in direct comflict on this issue. Aramink (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The section headed "Criticism" mentions (without sources) that there are contentious accusations in the scientific community over the study of the creature, period. Perhaps a clarification of the conflicts and an explanation of what data is being withheld, and by whom, would give the reader of this article more information.Aramink (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The section on the recent (Oct 2009) discovery of "Ardi" needs expanding. The National Geographic article I cited contains much more discussion and speculation about the locomotion and behavior of A. ramidus, which could be incorporated into the "Lifestyle" section. Likewise, the cited article contains discussion about the "missing link" and an extra "previously unknown" period of human evolution. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I have expanded the paragraph with a reference to the long period of study since the discovery, and the current announcement of its details. Should I say that the first analysis is complete and the discoverers are ready to place the skeleton in its proper context, or would that be an opinion? —--Monado (talk) 17:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Regarding oldest fossil skeleton of a human ancestor:
This is completely wrong -- the oldest fossil skeletons of a human ancestor are probably early bony fish-like creatures. But I grok what the article is trying to say, I just don't know enough to repair it. Something like "earliest identified fossil skeletons of non-tree-dwelling hominid ancestors of humans"? But not that phrase. :-) Can someone clean that up -- syntactically and semantically -- and edit the page? Joshua McGee (talk) 02:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a special section of the journal Science on Ardipithecus that just appeared online yesterday. http://www.sciencemag.org/ardipithecus/ This special section includes eleven new papers. Cheers, Edhubbard (talk) 14:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a life restoration of A. ramidus (based on the newly described material) that has been submitted for review at WikiProject Palaeontology's Paleoart review. Anyone is welcome to provide their input on it to make sure that the restoration is anatomically accurate before it is uploaded and put into the article.
Alternatively, someone could attempt to get permission from Science via email that would allow for some of the figures in the special issue to be used in the Wikipedia article. Smokeybjb (talk) 17:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Ardi is referred to in some of the newspapers as 'a woman': at what point in the development of hominides is the transition from 'female of species X'/'male of species Y' to 'woman' and 'man'? Jackiespeel (talk) 22:10, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Says the BBC:
Is this actually a quote from something that I can link to? I can't track down this "briefing document"... Evercat (talk) 18:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
What's this? There's no such phrase in the cited paper. Evercat (talk) 19:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
The article explains that kadabba comes from the Afar word for "basal family ancestor". What is the etymology of the words Ardipithecus and ramidus (in English, please)? It would also be good if you could cite the source(s). --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I think we need some illustrations of Ardipithecus. I mean, there is a ton of great illustrators here on Wikipedia, like ArthurWeasley, for instance. Markunator (talk) 18:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Science magazine uses Ar. ramidus. Anybody know why? Which one should we use? --Nbauman (talk) 03:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I want to restore this edit and use it as a summary. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ardipithecus&action=historysubmit&diff=324679505&oldid=324660079
I had a long discussion about this with Evercat on my talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nbauman#Ardi_etc
Basically, my summary follows the summary in Science magazine. These are the issues that White and Lovejoy emphasized, and also the issues that the editors of Science magazine emphasized as important in their summary: Specifically, that (1) humans are not descended from chimpanzee-like ancestors, as some anthropologists, like the ones White cited, maintained; and that (2) the main significance of Ardipithecus is in the insight it gives on reproductive and social behavioral changes -- the things that make us human.
Don't forget, Wikipedia is written for the average person, not the specialist. These details about the geological strata and millions of years are meaningless to the average person. The average person couldn't define "hominin". The important message for everyone -- as White and Lovejoy keep emphasizing -- is the meaning of Ardi for our understanding of the social and behavioral evolution of humans.
I'd like to know how other editors feel about this and if anyone objects. --Nbauman (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Is this quote right? "... & slightly over 20% the size of the modern Homo sapiens brain."
Ardipithecus had a small brain, & yet its bigger than modern homo sapiens? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.130.4.15 (talk) 01:42, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Bipedalism had the advantage of allowing Ardipithecus to carry more food. This meant that they could also provide for their partner and offspring. Which helped with the survival and success of the species. (Source: Discovery Channel Documentary)
Yes, bipedalism is probably a more efficient way of getting around, and so less energy and food is required. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.130.4.15 (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
True, but only by a little. Also if your sourcing Walking with Cavemen its bbc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.77.242 (talk) 07:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Ardipithecus kadabba is "known only from teeth and bits and pieces of skeletal bones", and is dated to approximately 5.6 million years ago. The sources for this first sentence in the section are not talking about A. kadabba but of A. ramidus. Can someone clear this up? Syn 05:09, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Says the 1994 article at [2]:
Someone wrote that this means the bones were not between layers, but I'm unclear that it means this at all. I take it that, depending on the shape of the geology, bones can be at the surface and be between layers? Evercat (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Despite the possibility that Ardipithecus is a direct ancestor to modern humans has [[been eliminated] this article never bluntly says so in simple language that a lay person would understand. Leaving most people to believe the "missing link" headlines from the news media and glance over these articles to confirm this erroneousness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.254.58.43 (talk) 22:15, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Of course, the 300 to 350 cm3 of the Ardi's brain is about 37% of the Homo sapiens brain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.241.130 (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
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There are at least two paragraph-long quotations that should be indented (for purposes of clarity). I tried to indent one of them but apparently I didn't know how to do this properly. Sorry about that. If someone could indent this and the last paragraph of the article it would help make clear to readers that these entire paragraphs are quotations. Radphilosophe — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radphilosophe (talk • contribs) 00:21, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Very nice use of sources in the evidence you've presented. The articles I was referred to did a thorough job of further explaining scientific evidence presented. <Jackson Francis (talk) 03:14, 21 October 2017 (UTC)Jackson_Francis>