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As some people who don't know a whole lot about the way the military works may look up ICMBs as soon as they hear about them, I think we should note that the best systems generally are classified, for example the SR-71 was in use for decades before the public ever heard of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.2.246 (talk) 20:37, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
US- japan jointly tested a misille shield missile on 18 September. So I reckon we add japan to current anti ballistic misilles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enthusiast10 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
IIRC, what that 'joint operation' involved was US ships fitted with Patriot launchers trying to shoot down dummy missiles from one of their cruisers. I have heard they are working on a missile defense system of their own, but I don't think it's seen action yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.252.128 (talk) 05:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I have dozens of sources for the Anti-Anti-Missile-Missile-Missile section (grammar issues) that was recently posted and recently deleted. If I cite them, which I was meaning to do when I had a moment, can the section stay. A google search for "anti anti missile missile missile" turns up over a thousand hits, WITH the entire phrase searched in quotes. I'd say that makes a pretty clear case for the cultural relevance of this arms race joke. It is the sort of gallows humor that one found in Dr. Strangelove during the coldwar, quite relevant, and a relevant highlight of the absurdity of such an arms race if you ask me.
"Anti Anti Missile Missile Missile"? Dear lord, that sound like something out of a bugs bunny cartoon. An ABM is still a missile- meaning a missile designed to shoot down an anti ballistic missile is also an anti ballistic missile. Keep it simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.252.128 (talk) 05:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Often overlooked in the ABM debate in the United States is the resistance of many Pentagon leaders to the construction of a National Missile Defense. Admirals and generals of all services oppose spending huge sums (currently $8bn/yr in 2003) to research, develop, and procure NMD systems. They would prefer to have that money spent on new conventional weapons, training, equipment, or pay.
The above paragraph seems slightly irrelevant...
James Trainor 12:05, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I agree. And this bit too...
Bush has used the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks to justify the need for such a shield. This is despite the fact that a missile shield would not have protected the nation from that attack, which was not launched via missiles (and would not protect the U.S. from any future attacks which might choose to simply bypass the missile shield).
...seems to be more a non-NPOV anti-Bush statement than a genuine criticism of the short-comings of anti-ballistic missiles. It and the other paragraph belongs (if anywhere) in the criticism section of National Missile Defense --kudz75 07:26, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I disagree. This two paragraph are relavant, but admittedly need careful rewording to get them NPOV. The first mentions an indeed very unusual fact: While usually the military is the first to be in favor of spending lots of money on developping new equipment, and the politics hesistating due to budget concerns, it is the opposite here. This gives significant cedibility to the fact, that really the vast majority of experts, military and civilian, agree that NMD is a bad idea.
Ok, the fact I consider this relevant is partly because I am a scientist and hence highly concerned by the Bush administrations refusal to ignore expert advice. I'm sure the top military would support the shield if they saw a chance of it protecting the US. (Evidence for this: They did support it in the Reagan time -- because then, it was an open question whether SDI/NMD could were, and today the question seems to be settled to the negative.) So, anybody who feels less cynical about the whole matter than I do feels capable of rephrasing this in an NPOV fashion?
Simon A. 10:41, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I agree, this article seems POV. The notes of opposition of Generals and a couple shots aimed at the Bush administration jump out at me. Admirals and Generals didn't think much of the aircraft carrier prior to WWII either. Additionally, the Clinton administration NMD efforts seem to be ignored even though the Bush administration is basically accelerating a plan that was around in the '90s. Seems like some basic ideas are forgotten, such as every weapon has a countermeasure, swords, armored suits, cruise missiles, tanks, battleships, submarines etc. Eventually a defense for ballistic missiles will be found, it seems like we shouldn't give up just because the problem is difficult. Ballistic missile defense has been and will be an expensive problem to solve, but a nuclear detonation from a ballistic missile might be even more expensive. I'm not sure how to make it NPOV, I guess someone is going to have to add something that is pro-ABM to balance things out. As for "the vast majority of experts, military and civilian" who "agree that NMD is a bad idea", who are they going to blame if a ballistic missile, launched from a rogue state, kills thousands? --Dual Freq 06:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Can I ask someone else to re-read this article and especially re-read the section on Bush. I think this is terribly POV. I actually know little about this so I'm reluctant to start taking things out.--Will2k 02:46, Oct 3, 2004 (UTC)
Does this section need to have it's own heading? I'd like to merge it into another part of this article, or possibly create a new article. There seems to be more than enough info to spin the A-35 (or ABM-1) missile off into it's own little home. Any ideas?
--BGyss 05:21, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I have added a section on the 1990s. I think it is fairly well sourced and NPOV. Most of the sources were FAS, and they are fairly anti-ABM. I don't think they pull too many punches so the information should be trustworthy. I commented out a couple sections that seemed POV to me and preceeded the sections with my comments. Neither paragraph had sources and they seemed POV to me. It would be nice to have more info in the article about efforts in other countries. India and Pakistan for example seem to be working on ABM systems and the EU seems to be interested in ABM in light of the proliferation of ballistic missiles and nuclear capability in the middle east. --Dual Freq 01:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I made a number of changes to improve accuracy, completeness and readability. Discuss here if any issues with those. Joema 18:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
This article originally acted like ABM systems were only something that got researched when certain political administrations were in office. I think it's important to note that ABM's have been studied since the first ballistic missile was launched. Research is global and didn't stop during the 1990s. --Dual Freq 03:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I restructured the headings, as mostly everything was under a single "History" heading. Tried to make more logical and readable. Could use more work, but it looks much better than before. Joema 17:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
There's significant overlap between this article and the NMD article. That should be somehow reconciled, but it will take a lot of careful work to do it properly. It's better to do nothing than a hack job; redundancy is better than losing content or hurting readability, which often happens in hasty reorganizations. At least the two articles are in much better shape than previously. Joema 18:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Does the Russian system use nuclear warheads for the intercept? I was thinking it did, and it seems that it would be much more controversial than current US efforts. This article seems to have plenty of US criticism, but barely mentions international efforts critically or otherwise. I think it would be fair to mention nuclear capability of the Russian system, if that is the case. Possible source or maybe this? --Dual Freq 11:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't disagree with the "if you're going to get nuked anyway logic", but I do think that things are a bit lopsided when the majority of criticism is leveled at the US vs other countries with ABM systems. I can only imagine that if an ABM system had been deployed around Washington DC instead of Nekoma, ND there would have been Washington Post and other stories for the next decade about people getting cancer from the search radars, and the deadly secret nuclear ABMs in your backyard. The above Missile threat articles seem to back the confusion over nuclear vs conventional for both the Gorgon and the Gazelle. Overall the system sounds similar to Safeguard, that is Safeguard with 30 years of experience and upgrades. I'd be interested to hear about the capabilities of the search/track radars involved, if they all face north or if there is defensive capabilities toward other threats like the middle east or China. --Dual Freq 23:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The assertion that ... the defense would still require a rocket for every [incoming] warhead ... is not always true. British and American intel advised that a single well-placed Galosh warhead of 3 - 5 megatons could destroy all three MRVs of a Polaris A-3. This was not a big deal for the U.S. because their strategy was to drench the defences with RVs. For the small British force acting alone, without any U.S. involvement, and often with only one SSBN on station, the Moscow ABM defences were assessed as capable (with 64 launchers) of intercepting all 48 incoming RVs from one sub. From that intel assessment the Chevaline programme grew. One possible counter was to increase the tilt-out and RV spread, but to be effective against the ABM the warheads would then straddle a target rather than hit it. MIRVs are also vulnerable if closely grouped, although they can be separated by selecting several widely spread targets. The Chevaline concept that followed adopted tactics based on two RVs per missile, super-hardened against EMP effects, a swarm of approx 27 decoys in an inner and outer layer and matched to the radar signature of the RVs, with chaff and other devices. Whether it would work is anybody's guess. The U.S. tactics were based on overwhelming the ABMs by sheer weight of warhead numbers. Technology and weapons may change, but basic military tactics apparently do not. Brian.Burnell 12:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
"The system is a dual purpose test and interception facility in Alaska, and as of 2006 is operational with a few interceptor missiles."
"Operational" is a bit of an absurd stretch given that there is no way the current system could possibly successfully intercept an unexpected North Korean missile. The missile defense pages read extremely POV. Who claimed that it is operational? What is the probability of a successful intercept?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flying fish (talk • contribs) 23:06, October 29, 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that Aegis BMD is listed in the short range/terminal section of this article and that THAAD is actually listed as a longer range weapon. This information is incorrect. THAAD is a terminal weapon and is used for endo and low altitude exo intercepts while Aegis is a Mid-course weapon and used for exo intercepts.
Lasre 14:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is a link to an article citing the interview with Steinmeier: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,480100,00.html (in german). --Bernd-vdb 22:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't THAADS stand for "Theater High Altitude..."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.148.36.138 (talk) 22:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Near the end of the main article, it states that the project in Alaska could work to combat a missile from N. Korea, China, or Russia, but would have trouble with a missile from Iran. This assumes, in the eyes of a reader, that Iran has a ballistic missile that could reach the U.S. This is not the case. The article might as well throw in other country's that don't have long range missile's. Or why not mention countries that do have missile that can reach the U.S., or countries that have Nukes. How about Israel, or India. Our friends you say. Then how about Pakistan? Just by mentioning Iran, you are implying that they at least have Nukes or have missile that can reach the U.S. In both cases this is wrong. You say, they might soon though. Well a might soon shouldn't be a part of FACT. Wait until it becomes reality to put it in. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.60.26.231 (talk) 18:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I added a section on Japan under the countries developing Anti-ballistic missile's, since they have been developing jointly with the US a system since North Korea fired a missile over northen Japan in 1998. Silica-gel (talk) 11:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
"The V2s were eventually dealt with by the launch sites being over-run by the rapid advance of the Allied armies through Belgium and the Netherlands" I should remind that d-day was 6th June 1944, ariving September 5 in the Netherlands, they finally freed the Netherlands May 5, 1945. The Netherlands was liberated _slowly_ relative to France. (Must have been the river.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.240.67 (talk) 19:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Two cited statements in different parts of the article are conflicting- one of them states authoritatively that PAC-3 had a 100% success rate in Operation Iraqi Freedom, while the one before it says that it was reported to have "almost" a 100% success rate and seems to allege this was based on cherrypicked data. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.252.79 (talk) 08:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
100% succes rate is lie from US government, at least once Patriot has failed to intercept scud missile. Some claims that because of programmers error (buffer overflow) the system failed to fire at incoming missile because it thought its too close to be intercepted. But there are other claims that patriot system is very far from effective. Failure succes rate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.229.208.84 (talk) 12:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Maybe I'm misreading, but the article seems to claim that there are only two anti-BM programs in the world, and then goes on to list how everyone and their mother has an anti-BM system. Timothyjosephwood (talk) 09:58, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
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"During spring 2006 reports about negotiations between the United States and Poland as well as the Czech Republic were published. The plans propose the installation of a latest generation ABM system with a radar site in the Czech Republic and the launch site in Poland. The system was announced to be aimed against ICBMs from Iran and North Korea."
I believe that this section might be more reliable if the name of the reports were named and cited in the aforementioned sentences. Additionally, it is not clear who these reports were published by-- perhaps the author of said reports should be included in this section. RosamondColton (talk) 04:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Does any editor know of a heading or topic under which to record the new developments. We are seeing claims which are easily controverted.[1][2] --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 15:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
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Lockheed-Martin has announced that its MHTK (miniature hit-to-kill) interceptor missile has been awarded a development stage contract by the US Army.[1] The MHTK interceptor is small and inexpensive enough to counter saturation attacks.[1] It has been tested in the Army's Multi Mission Launcher (MML), where multiple MHTKs per tube could be simultaneously launched from a 15-tube MML.[2] MHTKs use RF seekers to track their target.[1] Swarms of MHTKs would counter an incoming ICBM, even a saturation attack meant to overwhelm GMDs, which are designed to counter crossing ICBMs on their trajectories toward the homeland. MHTKs are designed to be the last layer of defense from missile attack,[3] and would be located in or near the cities they are meant to defend.[4] --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 10:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
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This distinction is important because as the article is current written it only encapsulates missile based ABM systems, ignoring others such as nuclear pumped lasers or dust defence or pebbles.
And this isn't me talking out of my ask, dust defence is included in ABM systems in Ballistic Missile Defense (Carter and Schwartz). The article needs rework to reflect that. Kylesenior (talk) 05:17, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
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The article claims that Arrow 3 "is capable of exo-atmosphere interception of ballistic missiles, including of ICBMs." The cited source does not say that it can intercept ICBMs, only "the country’s Arrow and eventually Arrow 3 seek to intercept long-range missiles and ICBMs."
The manufacturer does not claim that Arrow 3 can intercept ICBMs, only that it can destroy "longer-range threats." They even say that it is part of an "ATBM (Anti Tactical Ballistic Missiles) defense system." If it had ICBM defense capability, wouldn't the manufacturer be advertising that?
Info from manufacturer: https://www.iai.co.il/p/arrow-3
I find the claim that Arrow 3 can intercept ICBMs to be extremely dubious. Hydra70 (talk) 06:08, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
The addition of Kestrel Eye to the US section seems just tacked on, with no explanation of why it is there. Does anybody have a clearer understanding of how a cubesat swarm giving intel to warfighters on the ground is relevant to ABM systems? Jo7hs2 (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Came across this recently. Is it worth a mention as one of the mildly absurd cold war concepts for missile defense?
It appears to be a system where silos are protected from incoming munitions via either missile launcher or essentially large scatterguns. Apparently project named Mozyr?