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In last days I added references for most informations on AmigaOne page. I think this article needs even more care, but I don´t want to make any sustantial changes without approval of other editors. What changes I have in mind:
1. Structure and basic conception. Article is split in to "History" and "Current Status" sections. I assume this is based on status prior to 2009 Settlement Agreement (when AmigaOnes weren´t in productions), this Settlement Agreement - important for AmigaOne license - is also not mentioned in current article. See my sandobox page for possible new structure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pavlor/sandbox
2. Lead. X1000 announcement should by replaced by more general informations (eg. about outcome of 2009 Settlement Agreement etc.).
3. Models and variants. I think table could be upgraded with more informations (like tables in articles of various Apple computers). Is it necessary to list also still not-released computers (like X5000/X3500)? We did that mistake with AmigaOne netbook. Maybe it would be better to wait for actual release. Edit: My idea of new table is now on my sandbox page.Pavlor (talk) 11:50, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
4. Language. Article is in most cases written in austere style (in year this, in year that...). Rewording - with maintaining of current NPOV - would for sure improve quality of this page. However, native English speeker is preferred for such task - my skills are rather weak.
Your opinion? Pavlor (talk) 08:37, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
I see there were (are) some fights for the very first words of this article. Although AmigaOne was (according to Bill McEwen in 2002) intended for "rebirth of the Amiga desktop platform", I think it would be better to use plain word "computer" for the initial description - it really is not necessary to repeat what is obvious (AmigaOne is now de facto PowerPC Amiga desktop platform). For the AmigaOne article I used "series of Amiga branded computers", but there are some people reverting it to "Amiga" without any discussion. Your opinions?--Pavlor (talk) 07:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
The AmigaOne X1000 page should be deleted or at the very least merged into the AmigaOne page. The AmigaOne X1000 is not available for sale, and only a handful of prototypes exist. It's manufacturer, A-eon, has not even determined the specifications of such primary system components as the CPU. When A-eon first appeared they claimed the product would be released before Summer 2010, no product was released. No new release date has been provided. For all practical purposes the AmigaOne X1000 does not yet exist and has had no meaningful impact in the world of computing.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Edarticle (talk • contribs) 20:51, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
AmigaONE is a brand of computer on the market since two years ago.
you can't cancelt his evidence and if you consider Wikipedia a serious Encyclopedia then start deleting all invoices of:
Apple Lisa
Acorn BBC
Sinclair QL
Commodore 65
...And so, and more, and so on...
The fact that these computers had a little market, and had just little/medium/great impact in the history of computing does not prevent they have not existed for real and should to be mentioned into an Encyclopedia. Even if they had poor userbase.
By the way it si not the first pirating attempt to delete Amiga invoices here on Wikipedia, or worst to modify in order to let it be underestimated or keep it away from the eyes of readers.
Sure it seems that just to hear the soud of "Amiga" name makes many people crazy.
Prevent these morons to subvert history.
Keep Amiga invioces safe to let Wikipedia be a honest serious and well balanced Encyclopedia letting all voices to speak with democracy, and keeping a decent point of view, preserving the history. Even big/little phenomena as AmigaONE.
3000 AmigaONE happy users, who use their machines with profict ask this to you all.
By the way check just the thousands of occurrences of AmigaONE in google:
With respect:
--Raffaele Megabyte 03:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I reverted Lumpbucket's edit.
The purpose of the "AmigaOne" trademark is obviously not "running the upcoming AmigaOS 4 operating system". The purpose of a trademark is to market something, in this case various third party hardware to AmigaOS 4 users.
The failure of the "original" "AmigaOne" project deserved a much less dishonest and more thorough explanation than "due to problems and delays from Escena". I didn't include the 12/17/04 version's mention of Amiga, Inc's deceit about AmigaOS being under development as one contributing cause. While the software + hardware depend on eachother to varying degrees, this specific software wasn't necessary for hardware development.
No hardware has been "modified" to get "new boards" (implying exclusively for or by Eyetech, or any other Teron reseller for that matter). Eyetech originally lied about this in their marketing, but copypasting marketing material against better knowledge to a Wiki article is always wrong. Eyetech having licensed any designs is wishful(?) thinking at best, though it's unlikely since it's not required or even desirable for this sort of production. Either way, that sort of guesswork does not belong stated as facts in an encyclopaedic article.
Both the "AmigaOne SE" and "XE" are discontinued products. Since the "XE" made the "SE" redundant, only the "XE" is now listed here as still having a chance of being a sold again. Of course at least the main reasons for its (otherwise enigmatic) discontinuation must be included.
"Eyetech's official site for AmigaOne support" as description for the link to amigaworld.net. This makes it appear like it's a site owned by Eyetech, and/or that the entire site's purpose is Eyetech customer support.
I kindly request that people stay away from editing wikipedia articles if they only see it as a means to spread marketing material and/or try to hide facts that in their view might reflect poorly on their idols. You may think that you're doing well, forwarding the fanboy views despite their blatant falsities, but you're just sabotaging an encyclopaedia. To speak Slashdot language: we're only supposed to be "Informative" here, not "Insightful" or anything else.
I've made a couple of minor edits. I think that it is fair enough to refer to AmigaOne as a computer platform. A Google will reveal definition is more widespread than 'trademark'. People prefer the concrete to the abstract. The trademark stuff is still there. Apple is a word used to refer to a sweet fruit of the Apple tree. Sounds silly, yeah?
Probably it will need a bit of a tidy up. Given the strength of emotion in the fan base, NPOV issues are bound to come up. Edit away, I say. Try to have NPOV, and if people disagree they will edit you. Fortunately, the fan base is small, and wiki can't be edited from iBrowse :)
Perhaps mention is needed of the original spec which defined an Intel box with matrox video or some such. It would put the "trademark" into perspective. Something like "AmigaOne" is the name given by Amiga, Inc to several next generation Amiga platforms designed to run AmigaOS 4 and beyond. The first of these platforms was a specification for an Intel Box, later the PPC based Escena design, and then finally the Teron based (the firmware is different from Terons) AmigaOne series sold by Eyetech and manufactured by MAI. 58.107.87.183 20:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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Another thought I had - is there actually a computer platform named the "Teron"? Their website [2] suggests this is just a motherboard. In which case, it is misleading to suggest that the AmigaOne is just a trademark used to sell motherboards made by someone else - the AmigaOne is a complete computer system. And this isn't really any different to say Apple using 3rd party graphics cards, or a PC manufacturer using 3rd party motherboards. Mdwh 23:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I came to this entry after I read a news article about AmigaOS4, and there's one main question I have: Why was the platform built and what can it offer? Ben Di Luca 10:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there any source for such new AmigaOne model? Source EVIL-MCDUCK linked is for SAM460CR motherboard, not AmigaOne. I will look for more informations, but without reliable support for "AmigaOne 500 CR" model, entire entry will be removed.Pavlor (talk) 06:32, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I see an unregistred editor changed title of this section to "AmigaOne by A-Eon Technology (2010- )". I think such title is not right:
1) AmigaOne licence belongs to Hyperion as part of 2009 Settlement Agreement with Amiga.Inc.
2) A-Eon is not sole company marketing AmigaOne computers. To be even more precise - AmigaOne 500 from ACube entered marked even before X1000.
3) Both ACube and A-Eon have rights to AmigaOne name from the very same source - Hyperion.
4) I wonder why dating this section since 2010 (X1000 announcement), why not 2011 (A1-500 release) or 2012 (X1000 release)... Better to stay by 2009 - year when AmigaOne licence was granted to Hyperion creating legal basis for all subsequent AmigaOne computers.
I reverted back to original wording, but I´m open to any change, if explained properly.Pavlor (talk) 18:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
MorphOS 3.8 is not yet released and reference is nearly 3 years old. There is no public version of MorphOS for any AmigaOne board. Better to wait for actual release, but I will not remove this information.Pavlor (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)