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I do not think that linking to music is gratuitous in an article about a professional composer. Hyacinth 05:28, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I just added a list of Berg's compositions. Should a link be added on the Lulu, Wozzeck, and Seven Early Songs pages? --BenK 03:07, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
The very last sentence of the "Life and Work" section is almost a direct quote from the Conclusion of the Grove Music Online article "Alban Berg". I don't know if this is indeed where this sentence came from or not -- but it either needs to be removed or rephrased or placed within quotes and properly cited.
A comparison:
Grove - "As the 20th century closed, the ‘backward-looking’ Berg suddenly came as Perle remarked, to look like its most forward-looking composer."
Wiki - "As the 20th century closed, the ‘backward-looking’ Berg suddenly came as the American composer George Perle remarked, to look like its most forward-looking composer." --Tnmusikherr 02:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is B-class, but on the weak side; its musicology needs expansion. My full review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 16:59, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Berg did not begin work on Wozzeck in 1917, as Wikipedia's own article on the opera confirms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.195.221.206 (talk) 13:55, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to Wiki; would it be OK to include information on the orchestration of Lyrische Suite? In addition to the three movements orchestrated by Berg himself, the other three movements have recently been orchestrated by Theo Verbey. This makes it an interesting piece to program.... [[1]]. Maybe as an external link? Thanks, Stevey-22 (talk) 14:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm having trouble with the "one of the most important 20th century composers" line. It doesn't appear to be cited? Anyway, is this actually true? Most of my music reference books, while recognizing his art, always list him as second-tier in terms of importance. Is Berg really looked at as an equal of Schoenberg, Shostakovich, Stravinsky or even Copland in terms of relative impact? I love his instrumental music but I would be loathe to claim him as one of the historically top 20th century composers ... perhaps an argument can be made that along with Schoenberg and Webern he was the most important in twelve-tone technique (which is undeniable). If we take out the "most" I'm fine with it.HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan
Yes, he is looked at as on par with Schoenberg, Webern, Bartok, Stravinsky, Debussy. In fact, I was thinking at "Berg" should perhaps redirect to Alban Berg since it does for the other composers I just mentioned- albeit there are more people with the surname Berg. I suppose one could clarify that is "one of the most important European composers of the first half of the 20th century," since all of the composers I just mentioned were that, but in any case he was very groundbreaking as he really reconciled a sense of tonality with a lack of key.165.82.76.44 (talk) 15:48, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes indeedy-do ! HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:22, 1 April 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan
Perhaps at this date the mention of the cryptography in the Lyric Suite could be expanded a little to refer to Hannah Fuchs-Robettin (whose papers provided the source for much of what we now know about the work, and the words Berg added to the finale, which have been occasionally sung in performance. Both the Wikipedia articles on Hannah Fuchs-Robettin and the Lyric Suite itself are much more explicit. Delahays (talk) 16:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
User Arthur Rubib has expressed a wish to move material relating to Berg and 23 from the article on the number 23. I think it is better there and rather unbalances this article and would support it's removal from here.Sceptic1954 (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
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;Composers Project Assessment of Alban Berg: 2024-07-16
This is an assessment of article Alban Berg by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.
Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)
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This is a decent article, but it is somewhat shorter than I might expect, given the notability of the subject and the amount that has been written about him and his music (as evidenced by the mis-named "Bibliography" section). The biographical summary is adequate. I feel that the musicology is weak; while it touches all bases, it does so in relatively little depth. An attempt should be made to locate a public-domain photo of him; it seems odd that an early-20th-century figure doesn't have such a photo here. Additional photos and sound clips would also be a welcome addition. The footer material is out of order (per WP:LAYOUT), and the "Bibliography" should be labeled "Further reading"; "Bibliography" is intended for published works by the subject. Article is B-class, but a bit weak; the musicology really needs expansion. Magic♪piano 16:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC) |
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What is the purpose of this section? There is nothing that describes any innovations that Berg may have introduced to music. The paragraphs here are mostly additional biographical pieces of information. Why would his marriage to Helene Nahowski be included in this section? I suggest removing the heading. Jaco66 (talk) 12:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Berg was a part of Vienna's cultural eliteand the one about number 23), but I can't find them a suitable home under the current structure – they belong to some kind of "Miscellaneous" info. No such user (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
@MONTENSEM: Thanks for your work on the article. The only thing I don't like is that giant quote box occupying a good portion of the right margin. [2] Apart from being visually jarring, I find it hard to interpret (it's Berg quoting Ernst but accompanied by refs from Hailey and an efn) – it would be much better if incorporated in the text somewhere and given context. No such user (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)