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Aeroplane

Why is the title airplane and not aeroplane? Aeroplane is the original spelling, airplane is just a later Americanisation.

I mean really, reading through wikipedia articles you'd think that bloody Americans invented the English language, it's pathetic.

Commonwealth English first then American spelling that's how it should be done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TraitorBagel (talk • contribs) 10:21, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually airplane was coined by Brits too.[1] Rmhermen (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A very civilized interjection. I was about to write how Euro-centric this article is leaning, by barely mentioning the Wright Brothers without any pics of the Wright Flyer. However, to be clear, the American-British spelling of articles has clearly been stated in the Wiki rules.63.152.251.85 (talk) 09:45, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, lol. First off, English people sure didn't invent the language, either. Only constructed languages have inventors. Second off, while Americans didn't invent the language, I can think of one very relevant large flying machine that they did invent. Red Slash 18:55, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's not just this article, it's the entirety of wikipedia. It always puts 'word' or 'word (British English), like American English is where English came from. I wonder if the German Wikipedia has this problem with Austrian German, or Portuguese has this problem with Brazilian Portuguese.
Really? Wikipedia has loads of articles using British spelling - see kilometer for one example out of literally hundreds Red Slash 21:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the British spelling, it's the official spelling, designated by the French, they created the metric system, it's just that Americans spell it differently to the rest of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TraitorBagel (talk • contribs) 10:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the Wright Brothers and Glenn Curtiss - all Americans - called their machines aeroplanes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.100.249 (talk) 09:54, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, "Aeroplane" is the term used by ICAO (ref. Annex 1). Per WP:COMMONALITY, it should be used in preference to any national variant. Burninthruthesky (talk) 10:39, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015

change usage of aeroplane to uk, commonwealth and ireland

46.7.220.20 (talk) 14:12, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 16:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2015

103.251.49.137 (talk) 09:32, 3 October 2015 (UTC) the wright brothers has made it . it was invention first in mumbai and then by wright brothers 103.251.49.137 (talk) 09:32, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:24, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

404 not found citation

The sources for the claim that the Wright brothers invented and flew the first airplane link to a non-existent website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pabloalmeidaff9 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. Burninthruthesky (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Airplane is an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

source:https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/phak/media/pilot_handbook.pdf 218.103.152.77 (talk) 12:58, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Not done (non-admin closure)  samee  talk 13:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Airplane → Aeroplane – The ICAO term is "Aeroplane" (ref. ICAO Annex 1), which should be used in preference to a national variant, per WP:COMMONALITY. Previously discussed at Talk:Airplane#Aeroplane. Burninthruthesky (talk) 11:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CCC As far as I'm aware nobody (myself included) has considered the implication of ICAO definitions before. It just came to my attention in another discusssion. Burninthruthesky (talk) 11:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant per MOS:RETAIN. - BilCat (talk) 11:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I believe "Prefer vocabulary common to all varieties of English." overrides. Burninthruthesky (talk) 12:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Aeroplane" is not common in American and Canadian English. - BilCat (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The FAA uses "airplane", ICAO uses "aeroplane". The latter is an international body. Burninthruthesky (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If this were simply a choice of national varieties of English, I would not have made the proposal. I have already quoted from ENGVAR - please read the document. Burninthruthesky (talk) 07:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@GraemeLeggett: See Edit warring at fixed-wing aircraft and aeroplane and Talk:Fixed-wing aircraft/Archive 2#Clarification of article scope or requested move. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See also Talk:Fixed-wing aircraft/Archive 2#Requested move 2011 Fixed-wing aircraft → Airplane which preceded that. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is no proposal to change the variety of English used in the article. RETAIN does not apply. Rather, this is a proposal to use the internationally recognised term in preference to a local variant. Burninthruthesky (talk) 18:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By definition changing to the name that is used by the other variety of English will require changing the variety of English used in the article. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Bushranger: This isn't so. A look at last months British newspapers on GNews are mainly saying "plane", sometimes "aeroplane", but "airplane" only occurs in phrases like "airplane mode". Same with Indian newspapers. http://www.abc.net.au is 1/3 British and 2/3 American usage. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I wondered what the Beeb did and lo "Bristol Freighter aeroplane to be restored in city" one example, though also found report on storm that referred to "light airplane". GraemeLeggett (talk) 13:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This sub-thread has prompted me to look around a bit. Both the Oxford and Cambridge online dictionaries now accept "airplane" as an alternative UK spelling, while the BBC seems to mostly use "aeroplane" but does sometimes use "airplane". A quick scan of my books and magazines published in the last ten years reveals several uses of "aeroplane" but none of "airplane". This all suggests that, while the tide may be beginning to turn, it has not turned yet. Whatever advocates of either position may think, the situation is certainly not clear-cut. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 15:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it is not clear cut. My unscientific comparison showed a slight edge for aeroplane when a boolean exclusion of "Wikipedia" (as suggested in wp:commonname#Use_commonly_recognizable_names "Other topics") is applied to a google search. DonFB (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC) ADD: Hmm, just did the comparison again and this time airplane was far ahead, so my 1st effort was apparently faulty, and I'll therefore Oppose, based on Commonname. DonFB (talk) 01:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A more up-to-date search (2008 vs. 2000) shows essentially the same result with "airplane" outpacing "aeroplane" approximately 4 to 1. User:HopsonRoad 16:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting point, however "plane" would fail the Precision criterion in WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, since there are many other senses of the word. User:HopsonRoad 16:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Plane is just a colloquial abbreviation for "airplane". - Ahunt (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Update: In referring to English language#Geographical distribution, the countries with the most native English speakers are, in descending order, the United States (at least 231 million), the United Kingdom (60 million),} Canada (19 million), Australia (at least 17 million), South Africa (4.8 million), Ireland (4.2 million), and New Zealand (3.7 million). Therefore, North America has 74% of all the native English speakers in what is called the "Inner Circle of English". User:HopsonRoad 21:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To these must be added countries whose Wikipedias are less comprehensive than ours and many of whose inhabitants speak English, so they come here often both as visitors and editors. These populations include about half of Europe and over 140,000 in the Indian sub-continent (10%+ of 1.2 billion in India, plus 50% of 0.2 billion in Pakistan, plus others). Most of these nations are more closely aligned to British English than to American. You can prove anything with statistics. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 10:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Do we really need an entire article about how aircraft engines are numbered?

This seems like something more appropriately included as part of the article on airplanes, not something to make a stand-alone article out of. It's not really "notable", and consists of nothing but a list of different layouts by number of engines, and how they are numbered, even though anyone with basic math skills ought to be able to figure it out from the statement "they are numbered starting from the left to the right, from 1 and up". Do we really need a list to tell that that means that No. 1 is the left and No.3 is the inner right? The name is also not great; what does "Aircraft engine position number" actually mean? Are they in fact "position numbers"? I think someone has been over-enthusiastic is all. I appreciate the effort (and I can kind of see the motivation; I used to have a hell of a time remembering whether "1" was on the left or the right. This article doesn't really do any harm, I'm just not sure it falls under the category of "article material", and there is little chance of most people ever finding it or using it. Also little chance of it ever being expanded into anything more interesting, unless someone can come up with interesting international variations and/or historical details to fill it out more. Here's one; a twin-tandem engine aircraft, like one of the old early 1930s British or French bomber designs, with two nacelles, each containing a tractor and a pusher prop: what is the numbering sequence? 1 and 2 for front and rear on the port, 3 and 4 for front and rear on the starboard? How were the engines of the Dornier Do X numbered? These sort of details might turn it into something resembling a legit article, but they are lacking now. What we have here is a couple sentences worth of info from the "Airplane" page bulked out to make it into an "article". AnnaGoFast (talk) 00:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Given the subject of this discussion it may better belong at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft. - Ahunt (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clement Ader and the "avion"

This article is semi-protected, and being french, I can't edit it, so I post here.

I find it strange that there is no mention of Clement Ader first flights. Actually he was the first to fly, before Wright brothers, in 1890 then 1897 in front of a military committee for 300 meters, protected by military secret, and did have patent anteriority that led to multiple trials.

http://www.gouvernement.fr/partage/9572-le-francais-clement-ader-parvient-a-faire-decoller-eole-le-premier-avion

http://www.aerosteles.net/steleen-versailles-ader300m

For the record, he coined the word "avion" which means airplane in french, and aviation is also a word borrowed from french. --HugoMe (talk) 15:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HugoMe, Yes, that needs to be fixed to add Adler. There's no prohibition on editing the article if you are French, so feel free to edit it if you wish. If you feel unsure about your level of English, you can add your proposed text here on the Talk page instead, and we can adjust it for proper English before moving it to the article. And finally, you may post your proposed addition here in French if that is easier for you, and I'll translate it. Just make sure to use citations to reliable sources, and ((ping)) me to get my attention, when you are done.
P.S. By the way, other French aviation words include aerodrome, aileron, fuselage, hangar, pilot, pitot tube, and parachute. Mathglot (talk) 23:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a paragraph, HugoMe and Mathglot. See what you think. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 02:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My contribution was a condensation of material found at Clément Ader#Development of aircraft. User:HopsonRoad 02:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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