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A recent study of the genes of 39 relatives of Hitler published in the Belgian magazine Knack found a high prevalence of Haplogroup E1b1b (Y-DNA), which is rarely found in Western Europeans, but commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
This attempt to veto the news reports should not stand. The genetic information is not very complete or certain, but many sources chose to publish it, and that's all we need to know. This is a well established variety of genetic testing.
Though it should be irrelevant: regarding Berbers, Somalis, Jews, and Khazars, I am persuaded by Tacitus that the Jews originated in Ethiopia, prior to their labors in building the ancient Suez Canal and related tasks, and subsequent labor unrest under the eighteenth dynasty of Egypt; a relationship confirmed and extended through diplomatic relations with the famous Queen of Sheba. Thus it does not surprise me that the marker should be in both populations.
Some will say that the Israeli press (or the English press, or the American press, or the Russian press) is biased against Hitler. Boo hoo. Some will say that a method of studying Hitler's genotype was unethical. Boo hoo. Cue the violins. Does Wikipedia censor out the photographs from the Holocaust, the stories of Mengele's little lab investigations? Hitler's going to get what he has coming to him. Wnt (talk) 15:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I support the inclusion of this relevant and well sourced information. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Why do I keep hearing people say that journalists are not geneticists? Does anyone seriously believe that the journalists performed the genetics analysis themselves? Most likely, they hired a genetics lab to perform the analysis and then reported on the results. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Articles in newspapers and popular magazines generally lack the context to judge experimental results. They may emphasize the most extreme possible outcomes mentioned in a research project and gloss over caveats and uncertainties, for instance presenting a new experimental medicine as the "discovery of the cure" of a disease. Also, newspapers and magazines sometimes publish articles about scientific results before those results have been peer-reviewed or reproduced by other experimenters. They also tend not to report details of the methodology that was used, or the degree of experimental error. Thus, popular newspaper and magazine sources are generally not the best sources for scientific and medical results, especially in comparison to the academic literature.
These journalists are blowing this out of proportion for propaganda reasons, and is spreading ignorance about haplogroups. A haplogroup does not determine one's ancestry, but one's unbroken lineage. Think of it as a surname. All this means is that Hitler has an unbroken lineage that is Haplogroup E1b1b. He could have 1/64 or 1/128 ancestors that were E1b1b or 1 out of a billion(hypothetically), as long as it was an unbroken lineage of males. Furthermore, the spread of E1b1b sub-clade in Europe (we don't know what sub-clade Hitler is, but most likely, it's the European one) is associated with the ancient Greeks and is mostly concentrated in ancient Greece/Albania as well as Southern Europe, where Greeks colonized it. It's found significantly in Austria, Romania and Wales, places colonized by the ancient Romans. Thus, it's safe to say that Hitler is most likely a descendant of ancient Greeks/Romans, and not Somalis, Berbers or Jews. Though, the Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jew may be likely because of Jews converting to Christianity, but that is impossible to tell. Of course, there's no true way of knowing, and this is a deliberate misinterpretation of facts to spread propaganda and I am surprised the genetic or haplogroup communities haven't spoken out against this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.215.132 (talk) 02:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
The information is sourced from several reliable sources, its not up to us to speculate about the DNA tests. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
cheers, Jamie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Hitler’s Bunker by Lehmann/Carroll ISBN 1592285783 from 2004 (post Kershaw).
This was posted on, and refers to, the discussion on Death of Adolf Hitler. I repeated it here in case this book interests anyone else.
This book is soft on sources, but is probably good as fluff. The author was a sixteen year old wounded Hitler Youth who ended up as Axmann’s courier in the final days. He appears to be real, Adolf pinched his cheek, the secretaries knew him, he was there. He appears to have been in the breakout, survived, and got reflective and religious in later life. However, he did keep in touch with his former boss, hard-core until death Axmann.
The problem with sourcing is that his memoirs were translated and expanded into a bunker story. Very mainstream, nothing disputed, but it is very hard to tell where the kid’s first person becomes the unsourced third person. Example: the kid asks Kempka for gas, and is almost used as a courier for von Below. The bunker story continues, but the kid is next seen after the fire has started, when Axmann tells him what happened, and shows him the grave. The kid was apparently somewhere in the bunker, but is totally unaware of the suicides when they happen. His only original info is a vague description of the grave, that appears to be his only real contribution to the death.
I have NOT read this entire book, my focus is the afternoon of the 30th. The kid appears to be in the breakout, I may go there later, and the kid may be valuable. As to the rest of the book, if you want to read what probably happened, this may be a good read. Possibly “Further Reading”. But if you are trying to prove anything, there will be very little help here.
This is posted as an individual P.O.V., no reply needed.Wm5200 (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The Hitler Book by Eberle/Uhl ISBN1586483668 from 2005, post Kershaw.
According to the foreword, Stalin was interested in Hitler and had the NKVD prepare a report for his information. Stalin may have read the report, then put it away. Uhl found it and edited it with Eberle, then it was translated into English as this book.
If this is generally accurate, and stands up under peer review, it is pure GOLD. A Soviet perspective?! I suspect it is good, but it is beyond my world to analyze it. I did pick Joachimsthaler out of the rabble, though.
I posted this relating to Death of Hitler. In that subject the Editor’s Afterword sources may be weak in this area only. The other text I read sounded good, maybe some bias, but generally mainstream and accepted.
I do believe that this may be a great book about Hitler. Anyone serious will watch for bias and sources anyway.
This is posted as an individual P.O.V., no reply needed.Wm5200 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
((editsemiprotected)) In the page about Adolph Hitler, I believe there's a typo in the phrase "assuming the rank, role and tile of the Oberster Befehlshaber der Wehrmacht". It makes more sense as "rank, role and title".
Timingila (talk) 17:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
hello is there anybody understanding well french 'cause I've written an article
Littlejazzman (talk 10 septembre 2010 3:38 (UTC)
I'm rather reluctant to get involved in such scary waters but I thought I should say that the location of the holocaust section in the article seems a bit odd to me.
The article follows Hitler to just prior to the war. Then we get the holocaust section. And after that we get WWII, the start of which takes us back to 1938. Would it be better to have the holocaust somewhere within the WWII section a bit after some of the war has been covered? It appears to make the chronology jump a bit set up the way it is. --bodnotbod (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I suggest that this edit be reverted. Mentioning the favorable comments about Hitler made by Anwar El Sadat and others is giving undue weight to an extreme minority view - I doubt very much that their opinions have significantly influenced the overall view of Hitler. Why Friedrich Meinecke is mentioned in the paragraph that Kierzek readded, I'm really not sure - he seems to be saying something quite different from the others, and it seems misleading to lump his views together with the ravings by Sadat et al. UserVOBO (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
The information on Sparta and Eugenics does not fit into the development of the economy during hitler's stead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.164.244 (talk) 05:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
This article says that Hitlers most dominant haplogroup is E1b1b and his second most dominant haplogroup is common in Ashkenazi Jews:[2] This should be added to the article. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is another article:[4] "Belgian researchers say they have proof that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler had Jewish and African roots" --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:16, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's another one, this time from a British newspaper: [5]; is this valid, I, Englishman? Now that that's over with, I must say that I agree with him. Where is the relevancy in his supposed ancestral roots? A wee bit of irony, perhaps? What's the point? Besides, if I am not mistaken, the article on Hitler already states that an alleged grandfather of his was a Jew. Forteana (talk) 01:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Oppose inclusion. So what? Most people on earth are genetically related to each other. Slow news summer in Britain? Mootros (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Interesting that this was dragged in here by User:Supreme Deliciousness, a fixture on Wikipedia's ANI Noticeboard, where he often shows up to back up editors engaged in edit-warring to promote anti-Israel viewpoints. That old standby -- Hitler as part-Jew -- is a staple among conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis and just plain nutters obsessed with race, who would relish nothing more than the "cosmic irony" of Europe's Jews having been murdered by "one of their own". One wonders why he sources the "news" to Ha'aretz, an Israeli newspaper. It is a favorite ploy of a certain element to highlight Israeli or Jewish sources, when available, to buttress a point and to be able to say, "Look! They themselves are saying it." In fact, the "story" was broken by Belgium's Knack.be more than a week earlier (Link), and picked up a week later by semi-respectable papers such as Britain's Daily Mail (Link).
If one were to take the reported findings at face value, then Hitler had Berber North African ancestry much more than Jewish ancestry. "Haplogroep E1b1b komt het frequentst voor bij de Berbers en daarnaast ook in Somalië (> 80%). Opvallender nog is dat de haplogroep van Hitler de tweede vaakst voorkomende haplogroep is bij de Asjkenazische Joden." [My translation: Haplogroup E1b1b is found most frequently among the Berber people and slightly less often in Somalia (prevalence more than 80%). Even more stunning is the fact that Hitler's haplogroup is the second most prevalent group among Ashkenazi Jews.] The Daily Mail, if it is to be believed (always a chancy proposition) writes that E1b1b "accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes", which would be a much lower prevalence than among Berbers or Somalis. (And please note, according to the Knack.be article Eb1b1b is found in 25% of Greeks and Sicilians.)
Population genetics is a complex subject. Raw data can only be evaluated by experts -- real scientists. The supposed "findings" would have to be replicated and confirmed by scientists, in a peer-reviewed paper. How likely is that to happen? Well, according to the Daily Mail, DNA was obtained from "American Alexander Stuart-Houston, 61, a grand-nephew of Hitler. He was trailed for seven days before he dropped a used [napkin] which Mulders said led him to the cousin in Austria."
In other words, the "researchers" used highly unethical methods (that would never be used by real scientists) to obtain their supposed data. These "findings" will never be replicated by self-respecting researchers. The story will subside into obscurity and become another addition to the steadily growing staple of conspiracist lore, popping up in the usual places like rense.com.
The nutters pushing this "breaking news" today will be found next week defending the Khazar converts theory, according to which Ashkenazi Jews have no connection with the Middle East but are descendants of a Turkic people that converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages.
Just another day on the Wikipedia, the world's foremost crank magnet.--82.113.106.28 (talk) 20:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
All of the sources that I have seen on this story use the words "Suggest" and "May have...". Until there is confirmation, I would say that Hitler remains what he is, not what one test suggests.--Jojhutton (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Should definitely not appear in the lead. Mootros (talk) 12:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
According to historian Marc Vermeeren, there are still many relatives of Hitler in the Waldviertel region : "All Hüttler living in the Waldviertel region are distant descendants of Hitler, although many of them do not even know, as it was their parents or grandparents who changed the name and never told them". All these people share the same Y-DNA than William Patrick Hitler's sons (which was reported as E1b1b in a previous study mentionned above). So this is very important as it implies that Adolf Hitler's grand-father was a Hitler (either Johann Nepomuk Hiedler or Johann Georg Hiedler) and not jewish (even if his haplogroup is E1b1b)... So I suggest that we insert this information in the right section. Here is the source :
It is known fact that Hitler as chancellor flew to Venice in June 1934 and met Mussolini in St. Mark's Place, in front of a huge crowd. However I wonder if pre-WWI young Hitler, the aspiring austrian painter has been to Venice previously?
Most european artists visit the water city at least once for inspiration, but on the other hand Venice was under austrian rule between 1815-1866, including the crushing of its 1848 revolution and maybe the italians were not happy about welcoming visitors from Austria due to historical bitterness? 87.97.106.148 (talk) 18:57, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
So is the E1b1b y chromosome haplogroup ethnically germanic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.132.30 (talk) 17:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
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Hey i have some more accurate information on adolf hitler if you would let me edit i could spread my knoledge and it would be much appreatiated ,thank you!
NICKMELONMAN (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
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I believe i have valuable information on this topic such as situations like the Munich Putcsh.
84.13.48.19 (talk) 17:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Just curious, the article makes a point of pointing out that Hitler spoke a Lower Bavarian dialect "as opposed to an Austrian one". These two dialects are very closely related (and are nearly identical when looking at where Hitler was born and raised), so what is the point of including that info? JonnyLightning (talk) 16:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
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There should be a little side note that illustrates what the Axis was and the countries that were involved
71.129.64.226 (talk) 01:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
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link. -Atmoz (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)I just stumbled to this wikipedia article. I do believe this is discussed to death during the years, but is it really necessarry to put speculation about his sexuality to this article? It looks like the writer wants to degrade him. It is afterall - speculation. Article should be neutral. There is even an article named "Sexuality of Adolf Hitler" which is full of pure speculation! If speculation is sourced, it seems to be OK to wikipedia.. I understand wikipedia reflects the cultural beliefs of its writers, but it should also fight against it for the grand goal of cold and scientific neutrality. As I said, this is probably discussed and decided to be like this, but I just wanted to say what I have to say. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. 88.114.227.91 (talk) 19:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Article claims that Hitler must have suffered from syphilis since no photos of his torso exist to prove otherwise. By the same argument we can conclude that Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Mother Theresa all come from the planet Zog, and that the Zoggians have destroyed all the photographic evidence. There must be one ball since no photos exist showing two! Long live Prikipedia, Green Peace and Titus Oates! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.29.136.142 (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Our article text says:
"Historians who take an intentionist line such as Eberhard Jäckel have argued that at minimum from the time of the 'Prophecy Speech' onwards, Hitler was committed to genocide of the Jews as his central goal."
It's the "at minimum" I'm struggling to interpret. It seems to me that what that is intended to communicate is Hitler had committed to genocide at the latest by the time of the speech. But it could also be read that Hitler had committed to at least genocide (though it does rather raise the question how much further he could have gone, which is why I favour the first interpretation).
I'm not qualified to judge what was meant, so I can't change it. Can anyone tidy up the sentence to make it clear? --bodnotbod (talk) 15:21, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The section about Hitler's Mental Health has no citations. Maybe it should be removed.--Propaganda328 (talk) 21:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Hitler was far from a Christian. Actually some scholars have said that National Socialism was the religion of Nazis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.54.4 (talk) 21:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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72.12.166.157 (talk) 00:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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template making a detailed proposal for your edit such as: "Please change X to Y", or "Please add Z after A." Thanks, Stickee (talk) 00:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)Hello,
I'm a french student and I have found an article published in a very famous french scientific magazine Sciences et Avenir in 2009. In the article there was a copy of French "RG"'s file on Adolf Hitler. According to the file, Hitler's full names were Adolf Josh Hitler. Copy of the file can be easily found on Internet. For now here is a link where a scientific journalist from the magazine answer to a web reader about the truth of Hitler's names (it's in french).http://www.sciencesetavenir.fr/magazine/courrier/096018/l-etrange-fiche-de-police-d-adolf-hitler.html
Best Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.196.103.168 (talk) 15:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
The paragraph "Attempted Assassination" gives the impression as if only a single an assassination attempt on Hitler occurred. But other wikipedia articles mention several assassination attempts, some as early as 1939.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Elser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Christoph_Freiherr_von_Gersdorff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_von_Breitenbuch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_von_dem_Bussche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz-Dietlof_von_der_Schulenburg#Attempted_coup_and_sentence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_von_Tresckow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.160.55 (talk) 12:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, your right. The section needs perhaps a little expansion or just a mention of the other assassination attempts and internal links to those article, you can write something here if you like and I will add it for you, or anyone could write a couple of line to correct this missing detail. 12:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
20 July plot, Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff, Eberhard von Breitenbuch, Axel Freiherr von dem Bussche-Streithorst, Fritz-Dietlof von der Schulenburg ,Henning von Tresckow, Georg Elser .. all these people had a serious attempt to kill him,perhaps a page of its own with a mention of each one .. List of Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler - comments? Off2riorob (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the side-image which states that the last occupied territory Hitler visited was in Yugoslavia in 1941, is this meant to refer only to brief official visits? Hitler was residing in Vinnitsa, Ukraine for quite a while in 1942 to direct the Caucasus and Stalingrad operations after all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgan Hauser (talk • contribs) 20:59, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the beginning of the article. You speak as if the nazis are still active, please edit this out and put that hitler "was" the leader of the nazi party because saying he "is" the leader implies hes still alive or something. The nazi party is still around but it has no power and hitler is surly not alive —Preceding unsigned comment added by F.R Durant (talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
sorry, i couldve sworn that i read that on the page but i couldve misread, its fine, sorry —Preceding unsigned comment added by F.R Durant (talk • contribs) 00:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
In the first sentence of Chap IV of Mein Kampf, Hitler says he moved to Munich in the Spring of 1912. 75.40.144.32 (talk) 22:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)D. Freund
The images used here (especially the first one) depict a proud Hitler, not even being in need to look into the camera. This must be a well-condidered and selected image taken by Goebbels propagande machinery. I wonder, if there are no non-propaganda images that may even unmask Hitler as a fatuitous politician instead of glorifying him. 78.53.37.1 (talk) 12:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Hidden History carefully occulted. Adolf Hitler was not a homosexual but he was bisexual and he used Eva Braun to hide his homosexual inclinations from scrutiny. There were 17 cases in wartime of Hitler "intensely befriending" boy members of the Hitler Youth who once they spent time alone with their Fuhrer in private were never ever seen again. This is fact, recounted by an Italian Diplomat to me in 1963, as he hsad been in his time a confidant of Mussolini who told him, and who explained why the Nazis under Hitlers orders persecuted and sent to not concentration camps but extermination camps any limp wristed member of the public. Others unfortunate enough to be known to him personally were just rounded up and executed, by firing squad, sometimes even at night. Fact.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.120.237.236 (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Hitler was not homosexual or bisexual. He was straight and only had relationships with women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.185.104 (talk) 08:51, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
The article suggests he may have had borderline personality order, which "and would imply Hitler was in full control of himself and his actions." Surely there is a "not" or "not always" missing there? - assuming that the posthumous diagnosis of BPD is justified.Straw Cat (talk) 14:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
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change "Loosely translated it reads: 'For peace, freedom // and democracy // never again fascism // millions of dead remind [us] '" to "Loosely translated it reads: 'For peace, freedom // and democracy // never again fascism // millions of dead warning '"
This is a more literate translation of the inscription. NichtKevin (talk) 18:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The thai version of this article exposes Adolf Hitler as a good person and only this face of this man. Maybe someone needs to edit the thai version of this article or update it to show all his personality. (124.120.192.83 (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC))
wikipedia is a great site and we can put in it more color photos which will be fantastic to look on. for detailed colored photos of the nazi period, look into http://www.scribd.com/doc/12588702/Nazi-Germany-Color-Photos-from-LIFE-archive — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preethamnewgen (talk • contribs) 09:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
The assertion that Hitler conquered Asia and parts of the Pacific is unwarranted and misleading. This was done by his ally, Imperial Japan. The article needs to be edited to reflect this. I suggest deletion of these words. HenryIreton1642 (talk) 21:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know if Hitler had a daughter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.254.18.61 (talk) 07:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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5 Aug 2010 I posted on Talk: Death of Adolf Hitler: (random questions) “I am not a scholar, I read Wiki but would not think of editing it. But I was disappointed in this article, and many points in the discussion, so I am asking some questions. Perhaps someone else will read and address them.99.41.251.5 (talk) 01:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)” 6 Aug 2010 I posted on Talk: Death of Adolf Hitler: (random questions) “If I had read Kershaw's Nemesis Chapter 17 note 156 and Epilogue note 1 I wouldn't have wasted your time. You can't get much clearer than that. Should be required reading. Perhaps someone else should read them, and possibly edit the article. Thank you for your time.99.41.251.5 (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)” 7 Aug 2010 I posted on Talk: Death of Adolf Hitler: (random questions) “I would like to direct people to the work of Ian Kershaw Hitler, 1939-1945: Nemesis ISBN 0393322521. Chapter 17 and the epilogue relate to this article. Please pay attention to his notes and sources. Be warned, his book Hitler: a Biography is a kind of digest which does not include these resources. Wm5200 (talk) 16:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)” 12 Aug 2010 Gwen Gale posted on Talk:Wm5200 (Talk:Death of Adolf Hitler) “Article talk pages are not meant as general forums or question boards about a topic. Moreover, they are not meant as outlets for your original thoughts on topics, even if you put those thoughts as questions. Please either start citing sources (along with thoughts about how to echo those sources in the text), or stop posting to Talk:Death of Adolf Hitler. If you would like to know more about how to deal with (and skirt) plagiarism worries on en.Wikipedia, you might have a look at Wikipedia:Plagiarism. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC) The remark on plagarism was in answer to my concern about copying Kershaw and Joachimsthaler to the discussion. Do you think that “Assume Good Faith” was being implemented? 12 Aug 2010 I posted on Talk:Wm5200 (Kershaw knows): “Joachimsthaler was a used paperback to be read while waiting in line. I throw many of these away, they can be so stupid and/or offensive, but this guy sounded good. So I tried to check him out. When I opened up Kershaw, I tripped over the Rosetta stone of dead Hitlerism. In two footnotes this brilliant man put everything in perspective. For the first time since I was in third grade, all the pieces fit. I have no answers, but I know who does. Nobody will listen. Every question south of Kershaw relates indirectly to either him or Joach. The answers have been on the shelf of the public library for ten years, yet Wiki will not listen. I believe you have been an obstruction to any information which disputes your poison and Russian autopsy garbage. This same stuff happened before. You should be disciplined. I suppose it will be me who gets shut off. Always a pleasure doing business with you.Wm5200 (talk) 22:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC) “ Since 12 August 2010 I have been trying to get an admin (and other editors) to read these footnotes, and see if they may relate to the article Death of Adolf Hitler. For my efforts I have been dismissed, insulted, censored, and blocked. Yet somehow, I still believe that these notes may have some bearing on “the article”. I am now going to copy these two footnotes, to the best of my ability, and hope that there is one admin in Wiki who will read and deal with them. Gwen Gale not only won’t, but appears to be trying to supress them. Thank you, here they come. HITLER 1936-1945 NEMESIS by Ian Kershaw @2000 ISBN 0-393-04994-9 NOTES TO CHAPTER 17: EXTINCTION page 1037 156. Amtsgericht Laufen, Verfahren des Amtsgerichts Berchtesgaden zur Toderserklarung bzw. Feststellung der Todeszaeit von Adolf Hitler, testimony of Otto Gunsche, 19-21 June 1956, Bl.5-6, 8-9; testimony of Heinz Linge, 8-10 February 1956, Bl. 5-8; Joachimsthaler, 230, 232. The meticulous study of the testimony and forensic evidence by Joachimsthaler, 229-73, dispels doubt about the manner of death. The earliest accounts emanating from the bunker were that Hitler shot himself and Eva Braun had taken poison. Below (who left before the suicides) heard this as early as 6 May related by one of the guards attached to the bunker (PRO, London, WO208/3781, Fol. 5, interrogation of Nicolaus von Below, n.d.(but covering letter is of 22 June 1946)). Hugh Trevor-Roper was given the same information by Erich Kempka and Artur Axmann, who saw the bodies in situ, as well as by Martin Bormann‘s secretary Else Kruger. (PRO WO208/3790, Fol. 54 (Trevor-Roper’s handwritten note, on a chronology of events during the last days in the bunker).) The key witnesses give no indication that a shot was heard - counter to some of the unreliable stories (e.g. Michael A. Musmanno Collection, Duquesne University, Pittsburg, interview with Gertraud Junge, 7 February 1948, FF25, Fol.48; IfZ, ED 100, Irving-Sammlung, Traudl Junge Memoirs, Fol.159; Galante, 21, testimony of Junge). The intentionally misleading account of Hitler’s death by cyanide poisoning put about by Soviet historians - see, especially, Lev Bezymenski, The Death of Adolf Hitler. Unknown documents from Soviet Archives, London, 1968, can be dismissed. Equally redundant are the findings of Petrova and Watson, The Death of Hitler. The earliest suggestion that that Hitler had poisoned, not shot, himself appears to come from the reported testimony from about an hour after the shooting by Sergeant Fritz Tornow, who had helped poison Hitler’s alsatian, and said he had detected a similar odour in the room after the suicides (though he had not been in the room before the removal of the bodies)(PRO, London, WO208/3790, Fol.128 (where he is named Tornoff), testimony of Willi Otto Muller, 4 February 1946). Hitler’s pilot, Hans Bauer, claimed on release from prison in Moscow in 1949 that Hitler had taken poison, then shot himself through the head. But Bauer was not present at the time of the deaths, and his evidence is in any case unreliable in several respects. (See Joachimsthaler, 225, 260.) Arthur Axmann, who had seen the bodies, also testified on 16 October 1947 that Hitler had first taken poison and then shot himself through the mouth (PRO, WO208/4475, Fol.39). He repeated this in his interview with Musmanno on 7 January 1948 ((Michael A. Musammo Collection, Duquesne University, Pittsburg, interview with Arthur Axmann, 7 January 1948, FFl, Fols 28-32, 44) saying he had the information from Gunsche, which the latter explicitly denied (Joachimsthaler, 236-7). Axmannís claim contradicted, morever, his earlier testimony from 1946 (see below). Neither of the surviving witnesses to the scene immediately following the deaths - Linge and Gunsche - who saw the bodies in situ suggested that Hitler had poisoned himself; and there was no trace of the acrid smell of bitter almonds on his body (in distinction to that of Eva Braun). This negative evidence in itself also rules out the faint possibility that he both took poison and shot himself. The speed at which prussic acid acts would itself render it virtually impossible for Hitler to have crushed the ampoule of poison and then shot; and if the poison could have been swollowed a split-second after the shooting, the spasms incurred would have caused the blood to splatter on the shoulder and immediate surrounds, which did not happen. (On this, see Joachimsthaler, 269-70 and, including a few lines not to be found in the German original, the English version of his book, The Last Days of Hitler, the Legends, the Evidence, the Truth. London, 1996, 179-80.) The forensic evidence also eliminates the story, first put round by Artur Axmann, though based on hearsay evidence without substance, that Hitler shot himself in the mouth. Axmann had in his earliest testimony, in fact, explicetly ruled out a shot through the mouth and claimed (as Gunsche had done) that Hitler had shot himself through the right temple (PRO, WO208/3790, Fol.125 (Axmann Interrogation, 14 January 1946)). Notions that Hitler was given a coup de grace by Linge or Gunsche - a further surmise of Bezymenski - are utterly baseless. The “theories” of Hugh Thomas, Doppelganger: The Truth about the Bodies in the Berlin Bunker, London, 1995-that Hitler was strangled by Linge, and that the female body burned was not that of Eva Braun, who escaped from the bunker, belong in fairyland.
1. This and what follows is based on Joachimsthaler, chs. 5-7, the most reliable and detailed examination of the cremation of Hitler and Eva Braun, providing, in addition (347ff.), compelling reasons for utmost scepticism toward the Soviet claims to have recovered the remains of Hitler’s body and to have performed an autopsy on it. (For this, see Bezymenski, Death of Adolf Hitler, and, for an early expression of scepticism, the review of Bezymenskiís book by Hugh Trevor-Roper, ‘The Hole in Hitlerís Head’, Sunday Times, 29 September 1968.) It also rests on the testimony of Heinz Linge and Otto Gunsche, given in Berchtesgaden in 1954 (Linge) and 1956 (Gunsche), together with several other witnesses to Hitler’s end. I am grateful to Frau A. Regnauer, director of the Amtsgericht Laufen, for permission to see this material. I would also like to thank Professor Robert Service (St Anthony’s College, Oxford) for translating for me part of one of Gunsche’s interrogations in Moscow (Osobyi Arkhiv ( = Special Archive), Moscow, 130-0307, Fol.282). Even apart from forensic issues, it is remarkable that, had they possessed Hitler’s remains, the Soviet authorities never indicated this, let alone showed the remains, to Linge, Gunsche, and other witnesses from the bunker who they held in captivity for up to ten years. Instead, in countless hours of grilling them in highly inhumane fashion, including taking them in 1946 to reconstruct the scene in the bunker - aimed at ascertaining whether Hitler had in fact comitted suicide - they continued to insist, dispite consistent testimony from independent witnesses to the contrary, that Hitler was still alive. According to Linge (Amtsgericht Laufen, Fol.9), he was repeatedly interrogated about whether Hitler was alive or dead, whether he could have flown out of Berlin, and whether he had been substituted by a ‘double’. When Linge asked his interrogators during the visit to Berlin whether they had Hitler’s corpse in their possession, he was told (Fol.10) that they had found many corpses but did not know if Hitler’s was among them. Stalin himself also appears persistently in the immediate post-war years - not just for propaganda purposes - to have disbelieved stories of Hitler’s death. The opening of Soviet archives following the end of the Cold War brought a flurry of new ‘revelations’ about Hitler’s end and the location of his remains, which were allegedly dug up on the orders of Soviet chief Leonid Brezhnev on the night of 4-5 April 1970 by five officers of the KGB from a plot of land near a garage in Madgeburg, and burnt. The remain had, it was said, had been buried there along with those of Eva Braun, the Goebbels family, and (probably) General Hans Krebs in 1946 and were now to be exhumed because of the danger of discovery through building work on the site. (See ‘Hitlers Hollenfahrt’, Der Speiegel, 14/1995, 170-87, 15/1995, 172-86; also Norman Stone, ‘Hitler, ein Gespenst in den Archiven’, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 19 April 1995; Alexander Lesser, ‘Russians wanted to sell “Hitler skull” story’, Jerusalem Report, 11 March 1993; ‘Kremlin “secretly burned Hitler’s remains”’, Guardian, 4 April 1995; ‘Secret of Hitlerís ashes revealed in Soviet archive’, New York Post, 27 January 2000.) The Soviet evidence was most extensively examined in Petrova and Watson, and was also the subject of a BBC TV documentary, optimistically entitled ‘Hitlerís Death, the Final Report’, in April 1995. Apart from the jawbone, however, the only additional alleged remains of Hitler that have come to light are part of a skull discovered in 1946 (which has never been conclusively identified as Hitler’s). It is unclear how this skull related to the remains purported to have been found in May 1945 and exhumed - presumably headless - in Magdeburg in 1970. If, of course, the Soviets never had Hitler’s body in the first place, the post-Cold War revelations of the disposal of the remains have no standing. Whichever remains they buried in Madgeburg and then dug up and burnt, it is unlikely that they were those of Hitler. In any event, the matter is chiefly of relevence to interpretations of Soviet post-war actions rather than to a study of Hitler’s life. |
Thank you for your time.The Pluton (talk) 06:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia, You should write about how Hitler's real name was Schicklgruber. Because that was his grandpa's name and before his grandpa died he changed it to Hitler because he disliked how people insulted him about his name.He was on his death bed when he changed his name. Being the reason why Hitler has Hitler as his name.Being a family tradition of having your grandpa's name. I find that interesting because that small thing changed History I can't imagine people back then in Germany saying HAIL Schicklgruber. He wouldn't have been such a powerful leader with that name.
Thank you for your time! By: Jamal Ajaj
PS: I am not spamming or anything I am just trying to help out the website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.103.252 (talk) 01:50, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Is there a connection between the book written by Alexis-Vincent-Charles Berbiguier de Terre-Neuve du Thym and Adolf's Mein Kampf?
Togagames (talk) 13:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
"the historian Richard Steigmann-Gall (whose views on Christianity and Nazism are admittedly outside the consensus) states, Hitler "can be classified as Catholic."[324] Yet, as Steigmann-Gall has also pointed out in the debate about religion in Nazi Germany: "Nominal church membership is a very unreliable gauge of actual piety in this context.""
These remarks seem awfully apologetic. If he was catholic, then he was catholic. I can understand people want to distance themselves from Hitler, but that's POV pushing, and doesn't change what he was. Apologetics really have no place in an encyclopedia article. ScienceApe (talk) 15:36, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Here is the URL to TIME;s "man of the year" article:
WhisperToMe (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I would think that some indication that his name is used as a synonym for evil should make it into the first paragraph. --Ezra Wax (talk) 18:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
It says that Adolf Hitler participated i world war I under the first picture. It should be changed to WWII. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.134.73 (talk) 03:51, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
He was a soldier in WWI. Those awards listed were for his WWI service. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.14.189.78 (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
There's been some argument about the neutrality of the introduction. I've edited the last paragraph to make the tone more consistent with the rest of the intro: it's clear that there are at least three editors including myself against Tdadamemds specific language, but I do agree that the information is useful, and I think that paragraph has been reverted enough :) Publicly Visible (talk) 06:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Holocaust < > Volkswagen. Hey, no false equivalence here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aileron Spades (talk • contribs) 18:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph is pointless. This is an article about Hitler not his government. We could MAYBE please that stuff into another section of the article but is it not important enough to go into the introduction considering the fact most people will just read that part of the whole article in detail. On another note the last paragraph sounds like "yes he killed millions but hey - at least he gave us motorways". While I do believe in balance - and that paragraph may be trying to equal out the bad stuff - for Hitler there should be not equalling. ---- (unknown user)
"Meanwhile, Papen tried to get his revenge on Schleicher by working toward the General's downfall, through forming an intrigue with the camarilla and Alfred Hugenberg, media mogul and chairman of the DNVP" This sentence begins the section and is very confusing. Who is Papen, Schleicher, and the General? It feels like this was copied and pasted from another source, and the continuity of the article becomes severely challenged at this point. 174.54.144.166 (talk) 18:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC) Joseph G. 01/03/11
I do not want to get too involved in discussion on this matter. This is just a passing comment. I have done a fair bit of work on E1b1b.
The remark as it is currently in does not mention the interpretation and makes it clear that it was by a journalist, so it is then up to editors of this article to determine whether it is notable enough in that form. Basically it just means Hitler was in a common Y DNA haplogroup that many other Austrians and Germans are in.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
My point is that (regardless of the theory of race) Nazi ideologues clearly regarded any "non-Aryan" ancestors as undesirable (even when they considered that individual cases did not warrant genocide) and that they, often (perhaps mostly) held "one drop" theories of race. That is exactly why individual Nazis (including Hitler) concealed, contested or tried to suppress knowledge/suggestions of such ancestry in their own cases. When more recent science, using techniques that were not available in the 1930s or 40s, shows Hitler to be something that he is famous for holding in contempt, I think that is obviously relevant and interesting to many readers. To a lesser degree, as I have said before, there is added interest because this research refutes misguided, but lingering, misconceptions about the "homogeneity" of the European gene pool. Grant | Talk 06:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Here is some source on this. Can someone let me know why this article can't be edited in the normal Wikipedia way? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.253.73 (talk) 21:25, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
You keep insisting that the sources are reliable. What you don't seem to understand is that even if a journalist's interpretation of scientific data was accurate, that would not make this information significant. If the scientific data (not the reports gleaned from it) said that Hitler's DNA meant that he was definitely descended from Jewish people that might be significant. It doesn't: it says that DNA from some of Hitler's relatives is the same as some of the DNA found in Ashkenazi Jews. Can you not see why this is an obscure piece of information of interest only to a few geneticists? Or am I oversimplifying the case? Britmax (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
UNDUE. On the other hand we can have separate article about Hitler´s ancestry and statemets about his African, Jewish or/and Czech descent where this information will be appropriate. --Dezidor (talk) 13:25, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Ive done some reasearch on this and to my knowledge it is true that Hitler did have Jewish ancestors. but there is nothing that scientifically prove iether way. does anyone have any info that can shed light in this? Loki1488 (talk)Loki1488 —Preceding undated comment added 21:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC).
To make it point blank, the whole section is biased or at least edited in what can be viewed easily as biased style. First, the opinion of Stiegmann- Gall is given the lead of the section and almost an entire paragraph-that's completely incompatible with Wikipedia guide lines about Academy main stream according which main stream sources should be given the credence and priority in Wikipedia's articles. Secondly, the religious aspect played minor role in the third Reich, and it should be referred in the section. Also, in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" a discourse between Rosenberg and Hitler is mentioned, where the first suggest to label Jesus as an Aryan prophet who couldn't be of Jewish origin since his ideas were Aryan in nature and quality and Hitler reject Rosenberg's suggestion with despise -stating that Jesus was Jewish and clearly showed no sympathy through the Christian faith.--Gilisa (talk) 07:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
how would he have looked at 91? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.5.146 (talk) 14:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I was disappointed to see that this page was locked (though not entirely surprised), as I hoped to clear up what is a significant misrepresentation of equivalence between arguments as to the nature of hitler's neurologic disease. More specifically, the article as it reads now, suggests that the arguments for tertiary syphilis and post-encephalitic parkinsons are based on equal levels of evidence. In fact, one author goes as far as to place a statement qualifying the parkinson's argument with a statement suggesting that syphilis is the better diagnosis.
This is a significant misrepresentation of fact, and really understates what most specialists in movement disorders and others with background in these diseases really think. Most people with any experience in this field are pretty certain that hitler had post-encephalitic parkinsons disease. There are videos near the end of his life with a clear cut 3hz rhythmic hand tremor (classic for parkinson's), hypophonia, a shuffling gait, micrographia, decreased arm swing, and masked facies, all of which heavily point to parkinsonism, and are not typical of tertiary syphalis. Typically, when I have seen these videos shown to a group of physicians with a background in these diseases, there is a relatively rapid consensus that he did have parkinsonism. Further, subsequent investigations of Nazi records demonstrate concerted efforts to hide this tremor by holding something in his left hand (a common trick to reduce tremors) reducing public appearances after 1940 and instructing staff to film him from advantageous camera angles (ref: Shaking up Parkinsons disease, By Abraham N. Lieberman P117-119).
one of many such videos on this topic http://www.history.com/videos/adolf-hitlers-parkinsons#adolf-hitlers-parkinsons
Further, Hitler has a pretty clear history of Von economo's encephalitis (Hitler's encephalitis? Am J Psychiatry. 1981 Jul;138(7):999-1000.) which is the likely etiology of his subsequent early in life parkinsonism ( Parkinsonism & Related Disorders Volume 2, Issue 2, April 1996, Pages 95-103). This occurred to him in a military hospital while he was recouping from being gassed during the first world war, and occurred in the context of the mass influenze pandemic of 1918. Post-encephalitic parkinsonism is well described and his case has many of the cardinal signs (ref: Shaking up Parkinsons disease, By Abraham N. Lieberman P117-119)
The bottom line is that the evidence for Parkinsonism in Hitler's later life is extensive and widely accepted. This article really should be changed to reflect that this is the dominant explanation for many of hitlers neurologic symptoms and behaviors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.247.133 (talk) 06:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Big Mistake!!!! in biography! Battles/wars World War I? what?! maybe whan i plus? hitler in office 2 August 1934 – 30 April 1945,and First world war,which was 1914-18? :D funny.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.88.198 (talk) 00:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The Austrian author Franz Jetzinger claimed that Hitler was of partly Czech descent and that the name "Hitler" has its roots in the Czech language area, where the names "Hidlar" and "Hidlarcek" were frequent. (Franz Jetzinger "Hitlers Jugend. Phantasien, Lügen - und die Wahrheit". Vienna, 1956) 84.136.239.201 (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
There is no mention of the (undoubted) crimes of Hitler in the first paragraph. In fact, to read the first few paragraphs would leave you with the impression that Hitler was one of the finest statesmen ever to walk the earth. I'm all in favour of balance, but this is simply inaccurate, and this article will never be a "good" article until this is reflected. Hitler is generally assumed to be one of the biggest criminals of the 20th century and this should be reflected in the first paragraph (see the BBC article for an excellent model: "Adolf Hitler, military and political leader of Germany 1933 - 1945, launched World War Two and bears responsibility for the deaths of millions, including six million Jewish people in the Nazi genocide.") I would suggest something along those lines.
If it is seemed too controversial to directly link Hitler with the Holocaust, then some indirect link should be added, something like: "Hitler's anti-semitic views, as described in his book Mein Kampf, were the inspiration for Nazi Germany's genocide against the Jews in the Holocaust". That statement is not controversial. Andrewthomas10 (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
"Hitler received the final part of his father's estate in May 1913" -- Alois died in 1903, how come this took ten years? Hexmaster (talk) 20:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
After Pearl Harbour in 1941 Hitler declared war on America. Does this make him the last head of state to formally issue a Declaration of War? Nobody seems to have declared war since.
Hitler probably did this hoping that his Japanes allies might do something by attacking west and relieve some of the pressure on the German army at Stalingrad. When Stalin realised that the Japanese had enough to cope with and weren't going to cause him any trouble, he moved the Siberian Brigade to Stalingrad.
Accounts vary as to the number of men in the Siberian Brigade but the BBC quoted 80,000 men. To men who were used to living and fighting at minus 40, the minus 20 of Stalingrad must have seemed warm.
It was probably these who broke the back of the German army at Stalingrad and were the "slavic looking troops" who fought their way into Berlin.AT Kunene (talk) 12:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Although by 1941 the Germans had invaded Russia, technically the war was confined to the European nations.
Immediately after Pearl Harbour America, as the great superpower, was only at war with the Japanese, who were under no treaty obligation to militarily assist the Germans.
When Hitler declared war on America all the industrialised nations, including the two superpowers, were then at war and it has become WW2.AT Kunene (talk) 12:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The last paragraph metions inventions such as the jet engine and the Volkswagen which are utterly irrelevant in a personal biography of Adolph Hitler. Did Hitler design the Volkswagen? Did Hitler design the jet engine? Of course not. With no personal involvement, this paragraph should be moved to the section on Nazi Germany, and should not be on a biography page. Andrewthomas10 (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
BogdaNz (talk) 12:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC) Stop talkings shit without before investigating.Hitler is the founder of volskwagen.and the designer of VW beetles,nr one selled car in the world.And take the refference that Hitler always talked about secret weapons that will win the war for Germany.Every project(rockets,jet plane)had his consent and he knew everything and supported them. so just not be jealous
One more agree. Germany had one of the finest science bases in the world after WW1 (all the achievements in math, quantum physics, chemistry, etc.). After Nazis came to power, they have reduced the quality of the science (by pursuing bogus science such as those that aryans are dominant over other races). Also, they have prevented numerous German scientists of Jewish origin from working at Universities. Details on this can be found in book "Hitler's Scientists". Anon (talk) 18:28, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I've modified the lede to remove the material, and moved the Fascism, WWII and Holocaust material to the first paragraph. Those three things are, without question, what Hitler is known for, and they should be put at the beginning, per WP:LEDE. Wernher von Braun was 100 times more significant in the development of rockets than Hitler, and Hitler was as responsible for jet aircraft as Richard Nixon was for the Internet. Jayjg (talk) 23:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Kai, so millions upon millions are dead because of this bastard and you PROTECT HIS WIKIPEDIA PAGE?... hmm.. this is why I will never move to USA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.68.88.149 (talk) 21:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The Austrian author Franz Jetzinger claimed that Hitler was of partly Czech descent and that the name "Hitler" has its roots in the Czech language area, where the names "Hidlar" and "Hidlarcek" were frequent. (Franz Jetzinger "Hitlers Jugend. Phantasien, Lügen - und die Wahrheit". Vienna, 1956) 79.230.174.206 (talk) 13:19, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
According to some articles I've read on some other sites, like yahoo answers. Hitler had trusted children more than adults. He had believed that if he could brainwash the children then he could end up with the next generation with the National Solicialist ideology. On the other hand though, the propaganda films had protrayed that he had loved children, so he could only be using them to work for him only. It'd be like our president, now or in the future, using propaganda that he had loved kittens when in actuality, he despised kittens, and only used them for his own gain. Which view is correct. Hitler was fond of little girls. There are pictures of him recieving bouquets of flowers, or wreaths. So, my question is, did Hitler honestly like children? Or, does he only like using them as his puppets?Puppetmaster1234 (talk) 02:43, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Although his religious views have been disputed, he was raised and never formally left the Catholic Church.. should he be categorized under Roman Catholics? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 20:09, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Hitler was an Australian Catholic? the things you learn on Wikipedia ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.110.164 (talk) 16:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
This is totally wrong that has been put here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_haplogroups_of_historical_and_famous_figures
Adolf Hitler Adolf Hitler, German politician and leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP, commonly known as the Nazi Party), and Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b. According to Ronny Decorte, genetics expert at Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, "the results of this study are surprising" and "Hitler would not have been happy". [5][6]
The DNA was NOT Hitlers but supposively relations which is nothing but a hoax and does not prove it was his at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.166.81 (talk) 09:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Hitler's first speech as Chancellor of Germany occurred 1933-02-01, not 1933-02-10.
Max Domarus's Hitler: Speeches and Proclamations 1932--1945, which seems to be the definitive collections of Hitler's writings, states in volume 1, p. 232, a radio broadcast occurred 1933-02-01T22:00 entitled a "Proclamation of the Reich Government to the German Volk". See @Book{domarus90:_hitler,
See also page 128 of
@book{helmreich1979german, :title={The German churches under Hitler: background, struggle, and epilogue}, :author={Helmreich, E.C.}, :isbn={9780814316030}, :lccn={78017737}, :url={http://books.google.com/books?id=I6DYAAAAMAAJ}, :year={1979}, :publisher={Wayne State University Press} }
216.239.45.130 (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
The toothbrush moustache article is rife with references to Hitler, but no mention at all is made on his page. I have attempted to add a line about the style falling out of favor due to it's association with Hitler, but it is repeatedly removed for being "trivial". I am acting fully in good faith and this is without any doubt a well known part of Hitler's legacy. What gives Wikipedia? Le Douche? But of course! (talk) 00:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I've seen the History Channel documentary Hitler and the Occult more than once. HC is a legitimate resource. Hitler's suicide on April 30 and his command to have his body burned was no 'coincidence' - There Are No Coincidences (there is synchronism). Hitler believed in reincarnation and saw committing suicide and having his body burned on Walpurgisnacht as a vehicle to control his next reincarnation. This is an important fact and should be listed in the article with History Channel as its resource. - Brad Watson, Miami 72.153.60.84 (talk) 10:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Another good source which should be added into ancestry is :
http://www.h-ref.de/personen/hitler-adolf/vorfahren/hitlers-abstammung.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor (talk • contribs) 07:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Adolf Hitler had born in Austria. The town was near the German border .Adolf Hitler was a German politician and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party, commonly known as the Nazi Party, and served as the headman and the Prime Minister from 1934 to 1945. Adolf Hitler was the fourth of six children to Alois Hitler and Klara Pölzl. When he was three years old, his family moved to Germany. His younger brother died by the disease, causing the negative changes in Hitler. He went from a confident, outgoing boy who did very well in school, to a sully boy who always battled his father and his teachers. Hitler was really caring to his mother, but he had a troubled relationship with his father, who always beat him. His father wanted him to be a customs officer, so this became a huge source of argument between them. Although Hitler wanted for to go to classical high school and become an artist, his father sent him to another school. In September 1900, Hitler rebelled. Hitler's childhood is unhappy. There are historians think that Hitler had been bullied, so he had a strong result in retaliation. After Hitler’s father died in 3 January 1903, Hitler's behavior at the school became chaotic. He was asked to leave that school. After a while, he was 15 years old. He lived with his mother and younger sister in Vienna. Hitler said he first became an anti-Semite in Vienna. In 21 December 1907, Hitler's mother died of cancer at age 47 .Hitler became an orphan .he was very poor and lonely, so he joined to the army of Germany. He joined into politics. He was been cause the outbreak of Beer Hall Putsch. Hitler's beer hall oratory, attacking Jews, social democrats, liberals, reactionary monarchists, capitalists and communists, began attracting adherents. In 1 April 1924, Hitler had a punishment and he jailed at Landsberg Prison. While at Landsberg Prison, he writes a book My Struggle. Before the World War II, Hitler was to improve German-Polish relationship, signed the "German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact”. The reason that Hitler signed this contract was he wanted to get back his land of Germany. The most important event of Hitler was Massacre. The Germany army killed 1100 - 1400 million people, including Jews, Pole, Communists, Political opponents, opposition party, homosexuals, physical disabilities, soviet prisoners of war, and Union activists. Many peoples died of hunger, poison gas, and disease, or died of overwork. Hitler was an unhealthy and guy. He had the addiction of drug and skin lesions. In 28April, 1945, the Soviet army attacked Berlin. Hitler told everyone that he wasn’t the headman anymore.in April 29, Hitler and Eva Braun held a wedding ceremony. After that, Hitler used a gun to suicide and his wife, Eva Braun ate the poison drug to suicide. Many people don’t like Adolf Hitler, because he is ferocious headman. He killed a lot of innocence peoples and causes the outbreak of World War II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.18.170.231 (talk) 07:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
At 250K, this is way too big and should be sub articled more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.10.123.77 (talk) 03:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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The actual german pronounciation of Adolf is ˈʔadɔlf
MalusBam (talk) 22:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
In the lead, I've changed <"My Struggle" (in German Mein Kampf)> to <Mein Kampf (in English "My Struggle")>. It is now consistent with the treatment, in the same section, of Lebensraum. Note that the English translation here is so unused that it does not even gain the italic status of a book title. Spicemix (talk) 14:41, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be removed from the see also... If the holocaust for example isn't linked there, then why should this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.75.246.251 (talk) 20:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The lead runs to five paragraphs. MOS:LEAD is clear that four is the maximum. The potted history of WW2 arguably has far too much detail. Spicemix (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Hitler might have been in the Red Army in Munich in 1918. He was allied with the same from 1939 to 1941. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.233.218 (talk) 15:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Not at all, he hated the Reds at the time, blaming them for many things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.120.98 (talk) 16:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
4.3. The Holocaust
"Göring gave a written authorisation to Heydrich to "make all necessary preparations" for a "total solution of the Jewish question". To make for smoother cooperation in the implementation of this "Final Solution", the Wannsee conference was held on 20 January 1942, with fifteen senior officials participating (including Adolf Eichmann) and led by Reinhard Heydrich. The records of this meeting provide the clearest evidence of planning for the Holocaust. On 22 February, Hitler was recorded saying to his associates, "we shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jews"."
Needs citation or at least a [citation needed] at its end.
March, 7th, 2011 - 7:35 GMT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Absconditus87 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
I thought Adolf Hitler was in World War II not World War I Cafeolay2 (talk) 00:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Really Braunau? Offically, definitiv? Legal source? Just like the Obama issue, but well you know... --91.115.54.120 (talk) 07:56, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that Leopold Frankenberger ever existed? If there isn't, that probably should be mentioned in the article. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 15:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
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I am a renouned historian and teacher at the caimbridge university in yorkshire, England. I have been studying Hitler and nazi germany for over 10 years now and have discovered some very interesting information about Hitlers private life and his thoughts and aspirations. I now wish to show that information to the world, i hope that people can have a better understanding of what really went on inside Adolf Hitler's mind.
Solublefawn (talk) 11:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
The article on Henry Ford says that Ford did not finance the Nazis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.54.221 (talk) 15:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
"In his first four years of government the number of unemployed dropped from 6 million to 900 thousand people, the gross national product grew 102%, he doubled the per capita income, augmented companies' profits from 175 million to 5 billion reichsmarks and reduced hyperinflation to a maximum of 25% a year.[citation needed]"
Should this paragraph be struck? In addition to no references given, it is preposterous to imagine that any head of state, no matter how powerful, personally "doubled per capita income, augmented companies' profits [...] and reduced hyperinflation [...]." 89.204.137.234 (talk) 10:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Just see the section on Mefo Bills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills) to discover how the German economic improvement was based purely on debt. However, the economy did undoubtedly improve. As to whether the paragraph should be removed - well, the raw facts might actually be correct, but it constantly uses the word "he" as though Hitler had any knowledge or involvement! It was not due to Hitler, though, who, according to Laurence Rees's book "The Nazis" knew "next to nothing about economic theory". The improvement was down to Hjalmar Schacht who Hitler appointed Economics Minister and gave him complete control of the economy. And the improvement was based on debt. Unless a citation is given, I think the paragraph should just be cut. It's shockingly badly written and inaccurate. Andrewthomas10 (talk) 21:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
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I, Michon00, hereby request permission to edit this page, for correction reasons (such as correcting the name Ellie Hitler in infobox)
Thanks in advance.
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209.105.129.195 (talk) 15:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
i would like to request and edit sire
It seems to me that the article is perfectly readable, and most people accessing this page will be wanting access to all info at once, rather than separate articles which may be overly frustrating having to access several articles. I suggest we get rid of the banner given that, with Hitler being an individual, not an historical period, a single article makes more sense, and we can always clean up if necessary; it's only really the rearmament and alliance section which is too long. What're your thoughts? Crease7 (talk) 18:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I also like things all on one page. I absolutely agree - don't split it into annoying sections. But some of the sections on the page are just way too long. Just huge uninviting blocks of text. I think some of the sections could be reduced by half their length. Andrewthomas10 (talk) 22:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
This may be of interest: I own a document that may show that Rosenkopf was the first German town to grant Hitler with honorary citizenship, not Bad Doberan, which was brought up (to the town of Bad Doberan's embarrassment) during the 2007 G8 Summit there by ABC News and the story also ran on the BBC. Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Doberan Here is my document: http://www.flickr.com/photos/the-view-from-up-here/sets/72157626823199653/with/5826897828/
(Kevin Canada (talk) 04:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm1xLCOLVkY I came across this video and googled "Hitler Salomon"
In fact, there is one single and excellent explanation to the theory of Hitler's jewry. In 1932, still worried about his family's origin, Hitler asked the Austrian genealogist Karl Fiedrich von Frank to investigate his family tree : number 45 in the tree was a great great great Catholic grandmother named Katharina Salomon from the parish of Döllersheim. It was the appearance of the jewish-souding name that started speculations about Hitler’s jewish background. In fact, Frank had made a mistake and corrected it : the ancestor was in reality a Maria Hamberger from Nieder-Plöttbach. Frank corrected the mistake as early as August 1932. But the print run containing the error had already been shipped, a lot of newspapers men picked up on it and once a false rumor concerning a figure like Hitler was in the air, it was extremely difficult to stop it.
Who is Karl Fiedrich I tried to google him and can't find anything?--Jimmyson1991 (talk) 11:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Done [10]. Removed the following text:
Tobby72 (talk) 21:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
I would like to propose the following additions: [11] concerning the Polish and Soviet victims of Hitler's war and genocidal policies in occupied territories.
Also, I am going to reduce several overly long sections, text can be copypasted elsewhere (German re-armament, Munich Agreement etc.), but feel free to revert my edits. Tobby72 (talk) 20:58, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Do remember that this article is about Hitler, not the war. Britmax (talk) 21:02, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Although he ruled only 13 years, Adolf Hitler swept away much of traditional Germany, overthrew numerous governments, and caused the deaths of approximately 40 million people. ... The death toll in Europe during World War II is Adolf Hitler's darkest legacy. Nearly every European power sacrificed large numbers of soldiers and civilians, with the Soviet Union suffering a staggering 27 million dead. — David W. Del Testa, Florence Lemoine, John Strickland (2003). Government leaders, military rulers, and political activists Greenwood Publishing Group. p.83. ISBN 1573561533
Hitler hated Poles only slightly less than Jews. The Nazi annihilation of the Poles in fact began when the Wehrmacht crossed the Polish frontier in September 1939. German soldiers had been directed by the Führer himself to kill "without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need." From the Nazi point of view, Poles were untermenschen (subhumans) who lived in an area coveted by the superior German race. Poland was not simply to be defeated and occupied, as the nations in Western Europe later were. "The aim is not the arrival at a certain line," declared Hitler, "but the annihilation of living forces." — Richard C. Lukas (1989). Out of the inferno: Poles remember the Holocaust. University Press of Kentucky. p.2. ISBN 0813116929
Hitler gave repeated instruction to the military not to treat the Red Army as normal soldiers, to ignore the rules of war, and give no quarter. From the very beginning of the planning stage the Wehrmacht was deeply implicated in the criminal conduct of this unspeakably frightful campaign. Most of his generals enthusiastically endorsed Hitler's demented vision of a crusade against these Asiatic-Jewish-Bolshevik sub-humans. — Martin Kitchen (2006). A history of modern Germany, 1800-2000. Wiley-Blackwell. p.301. ISBN 1405100419
Hitler ordered that when Moscow and Leningrad (Saint Petersburg) were surrounded, no surrender of those cities would be accepted. Instead, they were to be razed to the ground when they were taken, along with their population. — Alan J. Levine (1996). Race relations within western expansion. Greenwood Publishing Groupp. 106. ISBN 0275950379
Hitler ordered that Moscow and Leningrad were to be razed to the ground; their inhabitants were to be annihilated or driven out by starvation. These intentions were part of the 'General Plan East'. — Ian Dear, Michael Richard Daniell Foot (2001). The Oxford companion to World War II. Oxford University Press. p.88. ISBN 0198604467
"Martin Luther's On the Jews and Their Lies may have also shaped Hitler's views. In Mein Kampf, he refers to Martin Luther as a great warrior, a true statesman, and a great reformer, alongside Richard Wagner and Frederick the Great.[30] Wilhelm Röpke, writing after the Holocaust, concluded that "without any question, Lutheranism influenced the political, spiritual and social history of Germany in a way that, after careful consideration of everything, can be described only as fateful."
The Röpke quote is out of context. Röpke did write this, but he wasn't talking about Luther's anti-Semitism and its potential influence on Hitler at all. Rather, he basically faulted Lutheranism for nurturing: (1) a separation of the spheres of political and private life, justifying obedience to the State despite the theoretical Christian morality held privately; and (2) collectivist morality, in which the sphere of the state intrudes into the sphere of private life. Although these factors in turn contributed, according to Röpke, to the overall German national character, which in turn somehow conditioned anti-Semitism, the connection is still rather indirect. The book is available on Google Books and one can easily verify this by browsing it.--91.148.159.4 (talk) 17:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Removed from this article?! What shall be the reason? Hitler's name is in the template.--Eleven Nine (talk) 13:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The "original version" of the template is there and its presentation works. The consensus is that what is there is fine, therefore, you don't have consensus to change it. I see you are new to Wikipedia and I would suggest you read some of the guidelines and tutorials to become more familiar with how it all works. Good luck. Kierzek (talk) 14:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I delete a part (maybe done by a jewish) that said Hitler was responsabile for the death of 40 million people. The war, and specially the communism and the Stalin was responsabile for mostly of these deaths. Also the Holodomor article doesn't say nothing about who was behind this genocide (jews). Let's leave the article impartial please. --Santista1982 (talk) 14:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
was he ever on line of becoming president? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.45.166.73 (talk) 18:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
There's a film not listed under that heading, film name "Hitler," released in 1962, with Richard Basehart in the title role, Cordelia Trantow as Geli Raubal and Maria Emo as Eva Braun. John Banner (Sgt. Schultz in the TV series Hogan's Heros) plays Gregor Strasser, a party associate, sometime political rival and alleged rival for Geli Raubal's affection who did not survive the Night of the Long Knives (brief pause for gasps of amazement). The film was released in 1962 by Three Crown Productions, Inc. It is in black and white, and is apparently notable for having done an excellent true-to-life job of casting the various major political figures. Cinematography is good, but the mono sound is tinny by modern standards. The film was re-released as "Women of Nazi Germany" a few years later. It depicts Geli Raubal's death as an execution-style murder carried out by Heinrich Himmler at Hitler's express orders, then covered up as a suicide. This is probably accurate: the Wikipedia article on Strasser, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser, notes that Raubal did receive a Catholic burial and quotes the priest who conducted the service as confirming this and stating in a French newspaper in 1939, "From the fact I gave her a Catholic burial you can draw your own conclusions"
I'd suggest adding the film to the list in the article. Given the note at the top of the page, I'd also suggest breaking the article into two sections, one for Hitler's political career and another for his personal life. It might be good to cross-check articles on other characters such as Strasser for conflicting or contradictory information. The information on Geli Raubal on the Strasser page, for instance, seems better authenticated than that on this Hitler page. I'd volunteer to do that, but I'm a total newbie at this, and I'm not ready to make major changes on my own. I'll assist with the cross-checking and research if somebody with more experience will do the heavy lifting. Jgr 51 (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC) Jgr 51
I was thinking that some photos could be taken out as Funandtrvl and I discussed above in another section. This to help with the flow and streamlining of the article. The ones I was thinking about are: "Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler" and leaving the Nuremberg shot of September 1934. Then taking out the 1934 Hitler and Mussolini photo; leave the more important 1938 photo of when the Axis was declared. Then taking out one of the two crowd cheering shots-either, Hitler welcomed to Vienna by cheering crowds, March 1938 or Hitler (standing in Mercedes) as he drives through the crowd in October 1938, Sudetenland photo. One could say the "Anschluss" shot of March 1938 relates to an event of greater notoriety. Kierzek (talk) 03:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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Health Hitler's health has long been the subject of debate. He has variously been said to have had irritable bowel syndrome, skin lesions, irregular heartbeat, Parkinson's disease,[182] syphilis,[182] tinnitus,[256] and Asperger syndrome.[257][258] I suggest to place this phrase, after the previous one: While other researchers say there is not sufficient evidence to draw conclusions that he had any such conditions. Reason: to alert that they are theories without evidence.
Volpiceli (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
From listening to quite a few authentic German recordings, the IPA pronunciation as well as the .ogg soundbite illustration seem to be wrong. It would be better if we could get clarification on this issue as well as someone with a Germanic background to record the soundbite. The Indian guy doing the recording seems to me quite inaccurate - not that I'm racist or anything, since I'm Indian as well.
I'm sorry, but most of the inogolo examples are laughable. I'm not aware of anyone in the German-speaking realm pronouncing Adolf as AH-dahlf— an American with a mid-Atlantic or an English person with a received accent might do so, but not most German native speakers. The emphasis is typically on the second syllable, Adolf, not on the first. Think of someone from Ringsend Dublin saying Adolf, and someone from, say, Oxford enunciating Hitler (not Hitlur like the gent from the deep South in the example). The German pronunciation there is ok, but it's not free content. If anyone has a usable alternative audio file, I'd be happen to listen. Malljaja (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
The current audio file used for the pronunciation of his name is frankly, quite horrendous. I urge someone with a native German accent to do their part, and supply the article with what is needed. I would make such a contribution myself, but my British Lancastrian accent wouldn't be desirable. --Huss4in (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Would someone with access to this page please make the reference to Adolf_Eichmann into a WikiLink? Ben Atkin (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC).
Remark: Russia had been a strong colonial power committing a lot of racial and other crimes as monarchy already, but even more as the country came under a regime of mere and ultimate terror, esp. Leninist/ Stalinist terror of the 1930s and 40s. The last wave of murdering Jewish population in central Europe was committed unter Stalin in 1947/48, "eliminating"/ assassinating the still existing academic and intellectual elite. The accurate numbers of victims of Stalinism is still under discussion because there had been a lot of comprehensive forgery in the Soviet archieves, committed by the regime. In any case, the numbers are extremely high, probably more than 20 million victims in Ukrainia already over the decades of terror. On the other hand, the criminals ruling through Leninism/Stalinism and Post-Stalinism had much more time to commit crimes in Russia and the related regions, because they first were supported, than tolerated by Western Countries, as well as by the Nazi-regime ("Hitler-Stalin-Pact") - and later on, as the Stalinists/ Post-Stalinists had the Atomic Bomb, no one could stop them anyway. 139.139.67.69 (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I trimmed some of the superfluous (and in many cases wrongly-used) instances of this word which I have a particular bugbear with, but have twice been reverted. I propose a cleanup tag on the article to encourage some improvement in the writing here; one or two of these you could argue with but 36 is a record in one article and it is hard to argue this is appropriate, except presumably to the editor who restored the version with the 36 howevers. --John (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/dna-tests-reveal-hitler-s-jewish-and-african-roots-1.309938 From Haaretz in Israel. Similar stories appeared in several US and British newspapers.
Why does the main article ignore this story? Since Hitler had millions of people killed over concepts of racial purity, is his own ancestry not relevant (especially since he was known to be sensitive about the subject)? The main story lacks balance in emphasizing old evidence of the relatively low odds that Hitler had Jewish ancestors, while ignoring recent DNA evidence that vastly increases such a possibility.
"In research for the Flemish-language magazine Knack, journalist Jean-Paul Mulders traced Hitler's living relatives in the Fuhrer's native Austria, as well as the United States.
Geneticists identify groups of chromosomes called haplogroups, 'genetic fingerprints' that define populations.
According to Mulders, Hitler's dominant haplogroup, E1b1b, is relatively rare in Western Europe - but strongest in some 25 percent of Greeks and Sicilians, who apparently acquired the genes from Africa: Between 50 percent and 80 percent of North Africans share Hitler's dominant group, which is especially prevalent among in the Berber tribes of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, and Somalis.
More surprising still, perhaps, is that Hitler's second most dominant haplogroup is the most common in Ashkenazi Jews." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlomax69 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
As per many previous talks Hitler's so called DNA was removed - "newspapers and popular magazines are generally not considered reliable sources for scientific and technical matters" - as per Wikipedia:Reliable source examples#Physical sciences, mathematics and medicine.............PS - E1b1b is not rare in Europe.
These DNA results don't prove he had Jewish or African ancestry the tabloids just have blown it way out of proportion and you're only taking journalists not scientists word for it.--14Adrian (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)