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History will be updated(translated version) tomorrow, when I get to a different computer where that file is located.Ceriy 02:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A fact from 25th Airborne Brigade (Ukraine) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 September 2007. The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that the 25th Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Army is the only airmobile unit of the Ukrainian Airborne Forces which has BMD-1 and BMD-2 airborne infantry fighting vehicles? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/September.

Added to Ukrainian Air Force Ilyushin Il-76 shoot-down Talk page:
Their (25th unit) page exists, the president ordered the the brigade to be disbanded, later on they (the brigade) explained the situation, where they (paratroopers who had been in service for only some weeks, and had their orders: not to shoot) had to abandon their armored vehicles, and seems that the brigade still exists;
in addition, the UKR article on the 25th brigade has a section, titled "the 25th in 2014"; at first there goes a paragraph with above mentioned president's order, the paragraph right below states, that according to the data presented by Dmytro Tymchuk, the data president used, was incorrect (both paragraphs dated April 17); the next paragraph states that on April 18 some vehicles were returned to the brigade, as a result of special operation; and some paragraphs lower (in article The 25th Brigade...), there goes a description of the Ilyushin incident, where 40 of them were killed. Russian version of the article ends with president's order to disband the brigade, and "full stop". ~ Pietadè (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So, in all likelihood, the unit still exists. ~ Pietadè (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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25th Airborne Brigade (Ukraine) → 25th Separate Airborne Brigade – Full conventional name; WP:consistent with other articles.  —Michael Z. 14:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Oppose. Unnecessary. Which other articles would it be consistent with? -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Okay, I see it’s inconsistently used in many article titles for Soviet, Russian, and Ukrainian units, including a minority of Ukrainian ones:

  • 14th Separate Mechanized Brigade (Ukraine)
  • 36th Separate Marine Brigade
  • 103rd Separate Territorial Defense Brigade
  • Separate Special-Purpose battalion

  Perhaps we need a broader conversation on consistent naming of hundreds of articles. —Michael Z. 17:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  "Separate" in military unit terms (or "independent", as the British Armed Forces use) is a word that tends to often be missed off the names of units and quite often disappears and reappears even in the official names as unit hierarchies change. I honestly don't think it's necessary in article titles. It just adds an unnecessary level of complication. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Is it purely ceremonial? I thought it designated something about a unit’s operational role rather than tactical. For example, an infantry regiment has an independent tank company for breakthroughs, as opposed to its integral companies in the organization of its infantry battalions (or is this a different use of “independent”?). —Michael Z. 18:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]