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Support: Seems sensible to have everything in one place as these events are probably not notable in themselves. It gets hot in summer and records are broken, we don't need an article for every heat wave in every country. In fact I tried to revert the article split yesterday with a view to restoring the original article, but got reverted myself. This is Paul (talk) 12:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fair explanation as that is also done with the European storm articles. It's worth noting that, before this, the UK had already had a heat wave in 2022 with the spell of hot weather in June, so if we were to retain the UK article it would either need to be moved to reflect the month it currently refers to (i.e., July 2022 United Kingdom heat wave) or we'll need to add details of the June heat wave to it. Expanding the UK article in that way might make sense. This is Paul (talk) 13:42, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose. Breaking the UK temperature record by 4–5C is absolutely unprecedented. This is no minor heatwave, and is far more notable than what is going on in Europe which is more notable for the wildfires it has caused rather than the temperatures themselves. Buttons0603 (talk) 12:37, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merging 2022 United Kingdom heat wave into a broader article; this is a singularly significant event that's already receiving major coverage. Neutral on whether there should be separate June/July articles or one for the whole summer, and whether the wildfires are significant enough to have their own article or are better covered in the heatwave article(s). FrankSpheres (talk) 12:54, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from splitter – I originally split the articles on the grounds of them being distinct, individually notable events. I don't have any strong objections to merging them back together, but I personally feel it better serves the reader to not mesh the two events together if reports are covering the events separately rather than a single overarching event. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support merging the three into one 2022 European Summer Heat Wave article. It's simpler on readers to put the UK, June and July articles into one basket. Jusdafax (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I support merging the June and July articles together into 2022 European heat wave. I can see both sides of the argument for the 2022 United Kingdom heat wave, but as of right now, I don’t personally think it is sufficient enough for its own separate page (likely to change in the coming days). As with 2022 European wildfires, in its current form I’d support a merge. Unless the UK and European wildfires articles can be expanded, I think all four should be merged into one. Fats40boy11 (talk) 07:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: They all refer to the same event and there is not enough content (at least, yet) to justify separate articles. If further expansion later justifies a split, it can be done then. Profzed (talk) 10:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the UK page should stay separate, as it is over 12k bytes and is a notable part of the UK's climate history. I agree with you about the wildfires too, having an individual page for each large fire shouldn't be necessary unless the articles are big enough. Greyzxq (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The wildfires merger sounds like a good plan, but Morocco probably needs to remain separate as it's not part of continental Europe and there isn't an equivalent page for Africa. This is Paul (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - merging will match the 2003 European heat wave layout. And let this abnormal day of temperatures at the United Kingdom make people realise action needs to be taken against global warming properly to avoid similar days happening again.
Oppose merging 2022 United Kingdom heat wave - the record temperatures and first ever red warning for extreme heat (notwithstanding that the alert system has only been in effect for three years) I think would justify keeping it un-merged. There is a lot of media coverage, including meta-coverage where the media is heavily covering how the media is covering the heatwave, which I think adds weight to the notability of the UK aspect. I take no position on the other proposed merges -- M2Ys4U(talk)21:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose remaining merges, support previous ones Previous merges carried out make sense, but the UK broke records and is an appropriate WP:SPINOFF and the wildfires aren’t super related, but merge the smaller wildfire articles like the Morocco and Portugal ones into the main wildfire article, and rename it to European and Moroccan wildfires. 98.100.40.118 (talk) 01:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merging 2022 United Kingdom heat wave - the article is already about the length of the European heatwaves article and likely to get substantially longer due to large media coverage representing the significance of the event. Best wishes, ~ El D. (talk to me) 08:41, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose to merging UK: Record breaking heatwave and response (or lack there of) is now also a political and unprecedented national health issue. vctrbarbieri(talk) 12:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - 2022 United Kingdom heat wave should be merged into this as well. People are now adding irrelevant info just so that the article remains separate. There's no reason for it to have a separate page. We shouldn't wait any longer and merge it into this one. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This heat wave has caused the highest temperatures recorded in the UK, with other heatwave pages in the UK being separate with lower temperatures:
2022 United Kingdom heat wave, which is being proposed to merge, currently has a peak temperature of 40.2 degrees, higher than all the others
Update - A major incident was just declared by the London Fire Brigade as fires have broke out in the city as a result of the heat wave in the UK. I think this article should say separate because it has become an emergency in it's own right which has had a major affect in the country. --KeyKing666 (talk) 15:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm only referring that heat waves which have had lower temps have their own pages. It is one factor into why it should not be merged. It is not just record temperatures, you've got fires breaking out across the parts of the UK, government meetings being called about it and even to the point where the London Fire Brigade have triggered an emergency response. --KeyKing666 (talk) 17:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Heat waves come in a regional scale, the one in the UK and what happens in Europe is one and the same. Or it could be renamed as 2022 European heat waves in the UK. Sgnpkd (talk) 22:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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For germany it says a better yource is needed for "From 14 to 20 June Germany saw 1636 excess deaths which are contributed to temperatures reaching 39.2 °C (102.6 °F) that week." is needed because the given Source doesn´t contain that Information.
But the Source gives "Die Sterbefallzahlen waren dabei vor allem in der zweiten Monatshälfte erhöht, als sehr hohe Temperaturen verzeichnet wurden. In den Kalenderwochen 24 und 25, also vom 13. bis 26. Juni, lagen die Sterbefälle mit +10 % und +14 % deutlich über den Vergleichswerten." and "Die gesamten Sterbefallzahlen lagen in der 24. Kalenderwoche um 1 636 Fälle oder 10 % über dem mittleren Wert der vier Vorjahre." with an additional information that the excess deaths are unlikely related to Covid-19.
I suppose, the issue is that the statement claims that the heat did contribute, rather than it likely contributed. I'll fix it. Profzed (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In an article covering heat from June 12 to today (five weeks), it seems weird to only count one week of excess deaths. An uncited bit now says Germany's next week "spiked" 14%. Not sure if that's over the historical average, that week last year or the previous week, but it's more than one week's dead. This whole idea of blaming excess deaths on heat alone is wonky, but even wonkier when we just use the odd week from the odd country, ignoring possibly tens of thousands of similarly calculated "victims" across Europe. I have no solution, of course, we work with what we're given. But there must be some way to not suggest people in countries counting excess deaths are actually dying of heat over 300 times more often than in nearby Britain or Poland. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We don´t have sufficient Death Tolls from UK or Poland yet for June. Even for germany, only one Week so far is evaluated.
The Spike of 14% means, that the Death toll was 14% above the average of the same Week in the previous 5 Years.
In Week 24 we see a low Excess in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and England. With Poland not reporting anything at all. For there, we just don´t know it.
The Data published so far by Spain and Portugal uses the same method as Germany. Its "just" excess Deaths.
The Spike in Deaths is having a temporal correlation with the Heatwave. And no other course for this spike is known with Covid-19 not to blame for the extrem rise in deaths.
Maybe, for now, add "(excess deaths)" to the relatively enormous and individually unreported figures in the infobox? Most death science is very confusing to many laymortals, I've found. Perhaps a tad reckless to fool some of them into thinking three European states are unduly targeted for destruction by an otherwise common and apolitical weather system. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The main image shows maximum temperatures in early July, shouldn't it be of the maximum temperatures in the entire time frame? For example, temperatures here in the UK reached 40°C, on the image the maximum temperature is around 25°C, which isn't exactly unheard of. I'm sure this is the case for other countries too. Furthermore, The UK isn't labelled but England is? Please let me know if this is a stupid suggestion. Angusgtw (talk) 16:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did see that NOAA made the image. I think it's probably worth updating to the 10-16 version instead of waiting three days, this article is on Wikipedia:In the news, so it should get a lot of traffic. Angusgtw (talk) 16:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just updated image to the 17-23 one. That's probably the peak of temperatures and therefore the final image needed, although it took a while after the 23rd for NOAA to upload it. Angusgtw (talk) 10:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the ordering of the countries is far from ideal. I put Croatia's section below Andorra's, but the heat has been relatively mild here compared to many of the countries further down. (There have been some wildfires, but I'll have to track this down later.) It would be better to put more strongly affected countries, such as France, Slovenia, Portugal etc., at the top of the article. DaßWölf21:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not 100% sure if this discussion is about the order of the sections, but they are ordered alphabetically like most articles about widespread natural disasters are (storms/hurricanes, heatwaves etc). greyzxqtalk21:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Recent news seems to suggest that Greece is affected. There an article for 2021 Greece wildfires, and it seems uncertain if there will be one in 2022, probably depending on the magnitude of the events.
I do not really know how to write a whole new section, but I think some of the sources below would be used:
As this disaster is being considered a consequence of the heat wave, should the 11 deaths be counted in the total death toll or not? greyzxqtalk15:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The number of deaths under "Losses" appear to mostly be unsourced. For example, I searched for the death toll in Germany and could not find a number above 4,500. Is this something that should be reviewed? Scholarlydoubt (talk) 15:58, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cyprus got removed because there was “no reliable source”.
The source I used was Extreme Weather Watch.com, and I used that source already atleast 100 times on wikipedia, and extreme weather watch is a reliable source. The man who owns the website gets his information straight from the government, so extreme weather watch is about as reliable as it gets.
so saying extreme weather watch is “unreliable” is a nonsensical excuse.
so there must be something more to it… then.
Do people put Cyprus as African or Asian country what? 2A02:A44C:6682:1:DC93:89B7:C082:A3AA (talk) 09:24, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to just be adding countries because they are in Europe, with your only source being extremeweatherwatch.com. Just because a country is in Europe doesn't mean it was affected by the heatwaves. You must provide reliable sources which directly say that the countries were affected by the heatwaves, and give more information than just a temperature. If you are just saying "there was a heatwave, it was this hot here", than that country might as well not be included if all you can say about it is that with just one source which says the temperature. greyzxqtalk12:08, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, maybe I can just add the temperatures in the temperature table, and not write anything in the affected area.
So then countries that only inform about temperature can be added in the table just not in the text itself.
Making a completely new article is pretty difficult so if you decide to do so please submit as a draft - contact me on my talk page if you have any questions or problems about any new article.
Otherwise you might prefer to expand stub or start class articles first to gain experience. If you look at a ‘project’ you are interested in there is often a table showing which articles are important but need improving. For example at Wikipedia:WikiProject Climate change#Metrics we can click on the cell in the table for the 95 high importance articles which are only start class and choose one to improve.
Luckily I don’t go to any school, so fortunately I don’t have to worry about school related problems.
But I’m not sure if it’s a good idea for me to create a account because of other users, they might try to defame my account and vandalize my user page.
If anyone ever vandalises your user page, that user will be dealt with and all vandalism will be removed so there's no need to worry about that! It is entirely your choice whether you create an account or not, however if you do it would likely be much easier to edit Wikipedia! greyzxqtalk21:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well at this rate, I’m never going to make an account.
why waste my time making an account when I’m just going to waste my time adding Information, eh?
it ALWAYS gets removed anyway, even though I added sources, but it still isn’t “good enough”! What do you want then? Pictures of the weather station?
Also here i see too much information and I think we should remove the “metoerology” & “by country” sections because the information above & under the info box and the table of highest temperature per country is enough. 2A02:A44C:6682:1:61C6:CF1D:B4A6:A926 (talk) 14:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how Wikipedia works… both of those sections are very necessary, especially the By Country section, and without them the impact of the heatwave wouldn't be shown. greyzxqtalk16:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a way to shorten them? I have added countries and made sure to keep the information short so that readers don’t spend ages reading an article because Wikipedia is for quickly looking something up. 2A02:A44C:6682:1:D4E3:17B3:CA24:730D (talk) 17:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia, and in encyclopaedias they don't leave out relevant information. greyzxqtalk17:43, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When I added information yesterday it was removed so when is it not enough or too much then?
Does Wikipedia have a word count with a maximum on it?