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Per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Merge with WikiProject Webcomics WikiProject Webcomics was moved to become a work group of Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics. Hiding Talk 20:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Where can I find the guidelines for notability, criteria for deletion, etc. relating to web comics? --Brianmc 17:43, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Wikipedia:Notability (web), it has had its wording relaxed on October 28 following a query of mine, but I only recently saw the change. Previously it appeared to require web content to meet all three criteria, now only any one of the criteria is sufficient. Maybe some were reading the stricter sense and thereby prompted to speedy, prod and AFD.-Wikianon 11:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
A lot of web comics have been speedied by one editor - see User talk:70.116.31.203. It has been suggested that this might be in response to this slashdot discussion, although whether the point they are making is that it is easy to delete articles or whether it has inspired them to remove a good slice of them (or it isn't connected at all). This suggests causing a Delete Storm to change policy.
It does look like the result will be a number of AfDs and it might be worth watching out for others trying the same thing. (Emperor 14:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
Possibly related to the above but almost definitely the biggest issue that faces the work group - seems to be getting a lot of attention at the moment: Wikimedia fundraiser highlights webcomic community's frustration with Wikipedia guidelines. (Emperor 02:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC))
This may not be the right place but here are my inexpert assessments of the notability of some webcomics listed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive_29#Webcomics_Delete-O-Mania. I had already added rather verbose assessments for Bobbins, Scary Go Round and 1/0. Here, WEB #1, #2 and #3 refer to numbered clauses in Wikipedia:Notability (web). Most webcomic articles are still in dire need of third party references, which I'll add whenever I find any. I searched using google, then I looked for WCCA nominations and any comments by websnark, webcomics examiner, comixpedia or comixtalk.
Key: WS = Eric Burn's Websnark; XX = Xaviar Xerexes of Comixtalk and Comixpedia
I'll look at the remaining later. I did look at, and edit, When I Grow Up (webcomic) and, although IMHO notable, I feel it could be merged into Wigu's history section with the character descriptions trimmed. -Wikianon 17:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
This came up in a chat with Hiding - one of our solutions to webcomics failing notability would be to transwiki it to some webcomics wikia. Comixpedia seemed the best webcomic wiki but it seems to have stalled and they aren't that enthusiastic about turning it over to wikia [1].
One of the solutions to the problems some in the webcomics have with Wikipedia would be solved by them getting more involve here but the Webcomic Project died which is why it had to be brought over here as a work group. Perhaps some kind of wikia might be a good halfway house solution that would help make the majority of people happy. I have to admit I was surprised there wasn't already one running when much less popular subjects seem to have theirs.
Anyone got any ideas about this? It'd certainly help us and would help the webcomics community as a whole but it seems to founder on a lack of enthusiasm, which I think is a bit odd. (Emperor 17:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC))
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Sparkling Generation Valkyrie Yuuki was recreated with a source showing that it won in the Web Cartoonists' Choice Awards - But does this make the webcomic notable? WhisperToMe (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
This has an AFD about it here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sparkling_Generation_Valkyrie_Yuuki_(2nd_nomination) WhisperToMe (talk) 04:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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I would like for Awkward Zombie and Brawl in the Family (webcomic) to be created. I tried for Awkward Zombie here. I don't know if anybody watches this page, but I figured I would put it here. Blake (Talk·Edits) 20:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
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I've just proposed the deletion of Webdonuts. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Web_Cartoonist.27s_Choice_award Anyone familiar with webcomics, please join in the discussion. Dream Focus 19:51, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
A quick search through talk archives shows that, at times, deleted webcomic articles have been copied to http://www.comixpedia.org. Is it still a common practice today? How is attribution handled in those cases to comply with CC licensing? Diego (talk) 12:46, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
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I just finished up a somewhat large project of mine to 1) improve Wikipedia's coverage on the history of webcomics, and 2) make the project easier to navigate. Earlier, I have created lists such as List of video game webcomics and List of LGBT-related webcomics - now, I have created many more. I converted our "List of webcomics" into "Lists of webcomics", which seems more proper (compare to List of comics, for example). I've also created some templates, most notably Template:Webcomics. I'm sure I've made some mistakes and oversights, but I think this is pretty good right now.
On the history of webcomics, I have created the following articles:
I hope my efforts improve Wikipedia's coverage of webcomics well. I'm posting this here for two reasons. The first one is that I'd be happy if someone would look my work over and fix obvious mistakes. I'm sure my work isn't perfect ^_^
The second reason is that I want to revive this taskforce. I'll be posting some more discussions in the coming weeks, related to mass-deletions and some questions I'd like opinions on. I was wondering if anyone on Wikipedia has any interest in becoming active on this WikiProject again. Feel free to reply either way! Thank you for reading ~Mable (chat) 20:41, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
I just put up 2001 Web Cartoonists' Choice Awards to 2008 Web Cartoonists' Choice Awards up for AfD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2001 Web Cartoonists' Choice Awards. The event itself is notable, but not each year individually is. I'd like some input :) ~Mable (chat) 08:47, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
"only a select few are financially successful," that is in the lead of webcomic, in the description of Web fiction#webcomic and, of course, at List of professional webcomic artists. I don't believe it's controversial to say that that list is outdated, but that's not what I'm making this discussion for. I think the idea that very few webcomics are "financially successful" or that cartoonists are "lucky if their webcomic can support its own hosting bills" is completely outdated. The source used for this is a book released in 2006: Attitude 3: The New Subversive Online Cartoonists. Ten years later, the webcomics industry has crashed and revived.
I've tried to get a bit of grasp on the kind of money webcomics make. Here are my findings:
According to The New York Observer in 2015, "a handful" of artists have managed to make a living, but the article then goes on saying "By and large, the creators we spoke to seem to be past the point of worrying about paying for the basics." Comics Alliance managed to give a detailed impression of the finances of two web cartoonists, but it's a very limited sample size. Some comics on Tapastic make over $800 per month. Going into original research territory, even lesser known webcomics such as El Goonish Shive and Grrl Power make their creators more than American minimum wage through Patreon. Assuming the creator of Gamercat also sells merchandise and makes money through advertisement, I can imagine her making a living out of webcomics.
What kind of statement can we make about "financial success" on articles like Webcomic? ~Mable (chat) 14:30, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Recently, I copied the old "List of webcomics" to my userspace, changing the list to a more useful Lists of webcomics (based on lists like "Lists of comics" and "Lists of films"). I kept the original list around in my userspace to help me finish up the Category:Years in webcomics. If anyone has any interest in it, the list can still be found at User:Maplestrip/Temporary list of webcomics. Maybe someone could use it to create 1999 in webcomics or something - I no longer have any interest in the project :) ~Mable (chat) 20:37, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I've created an essay, titled webcomics are no good as sources, or WP:WANGAS for short. Before moving it to the regular essay space, I figured I'd ask for feedback here. I've noticed an infestation of people using primary webcomic sources (something that is particularly easy to do for webcomics), and I thought an essay could discourage this behavior better than our current original research guideline does. I've put some comedic tones in there as well to make it an easier read, but I think what it needs most is a good copy-edit. Anyone interested in improving the prose, perhaps trimming it a bit, keeping the essence of the essay intact: please do! ^_^ ~Mable (chat) 14:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
I just put a bunch of lists of webcomic characters up for PROD. I think the lack of sources on lists like List of Kevin and Kell characters and List of User Friendly characters make it clear that the cast itself isn't notable (as fictional content tends to be). In case anyone opposes, however, I figured I'd let people know here, as none of the original creators are still active on Wikipedia. ~Mable (chat) 15:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
We have a few articles on webtoons, such as The Gamer (manhwa), Soul Cartel, Fashion King (manhwa), Girls of the Wild's, Dr. Frost, God of Bath, Orange Marmalade, etc. See also: Category:South Korean webcomics. Many of these articles are severely lacking in sources, and none of them seem to include any Korean-language sources. Once a show gets its own TV-drama (see Misaeng (manhwa)), sources start to pop up, but I have difficulty finding anything useful for webtoons that don't have any adaptations. I know for a fact that The Gamer and Girls of the Wild's are well-known comics, and it would be painful if they didn't meet notability guidelines.
Does anyone know any South-Korean publications that focus on webtoons? Seeing as how popular the form seems to be in Korea, I would assume that plenty such sources would exist. Honestly, any source that consistently reports on webtoons would be fine. It would be very nice if we had a group of possible sources to expand such articles from, even if only a small amount of people have access to said sources. ~Mable (chat) 11:52, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm working on creating a proper replacement for the painfully outdated List of professional webcomic artists article. You can find a draft of it here. I'm still just looking for sources, and I'm actually rather busy with life right now, but I just wanted to let people know that I'll finish this eventually. This project may end up being as big as History of webcomics, though, so it will definitely take a while! ~Mable (chat) 09:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I've created a list of possible webcomics sources based on WP:VG/S. Seeing as how difficult I often find it to find good sources, I think this will prove very useful. Even more so because of how many user blogs there are around that are almost indistinguishable from the more acclaimed websites. Please share your thoughts over at Wikipedia:Webcomic sources and its talkpage. Do know that the list is far from complete. ~Mable (chat) 09:06, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
I just nominated Time (xkcd) for Good Article. Furthermore, I'd like to get it out there that I'd review any webcomics-related GA, FA, and FL nominations, as well as peer reviews. I'm really trying to create some more activity in this project, after all. ~Mable (chat) 14:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Right now, we have particularly un-useful subcategories in Category:Webcomics by year, where webcomics are only categorized by decades in which they have run. I'm going to start a project where I will categorize all webcomics by starting year as well, using categories ranging from Category:1995 webcomic debuts to Category:2016 webcomic debuts. Seeing as webcomics tend to run for multiple years - sometimes even decades - the three categories we have right now are still useful. Obviously, this project is going to take a while, but at least now everyone knows :) ~Mable (chat) 11:29, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
In 2004, Scott McCloud created a top 20 personal favorite webcomics, in alphabetical order. The page has since gone offline, but of course it has been grabbed plenty by Archive.org. Is this page useful in any way for Wikipedia? Could we use this for the reception section of various webcomics? I'm thinking not, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of others on this topic. ~Mable (chat) 20:12, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Would someone would might taking a look at Combula Crystelice to see if it's notable enough for a stand-alone article? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:23, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
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Loxie & Zoot is up for deletion again. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 05:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
There is a disagreement between me and @AquilaXIII: regarding whether webtoons are a type (style?) of webcomic or a completely separate medium. This has come up in the edit history of the Webcomics template and the talkpage of "Webcomics in China". I would like to hear some thoughts on this by third parties. I could give quite a few sources calling webtoons webcomics (Examples: [2][3][4]), but I don't know if that's the way to go about it. ~Mable (chat) 10:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
@AquilaXIII: I just noticed that you've been describing most such works in Asian countries explicitly as "digital comics" rather than "webcomics" (such as all webmanga, and not just the common Japanase digital comics magazines). Are you seeing webcomics as a specifically English-language idea that doesn't apply worldwide? I think your and my interpretations of these terms are a bit different. ~Mable (chat) 12:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
It's been my experience that webcomics are web-original content and digital comics are digital versions of print-original content. I've only encountered webtoons in some wikiarticles and press pieces on Korean (I think) comic hubs. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
My understanding:
Is there any disagreement with any of the above points? Oornery (talk) 21:23, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Maplestrip:, @Argento Surfer:, @Oornery: Sorry for the late response but yes, I agree with Oornery's list and points. And as for Maplestrip's point of never having "seen webtoons as non-webcomic digital comics before", that's mainly because that is just starting to happen outside of Asia. In Korea, all manhwa are released as webtoons now while here in the U.S. many still make webcomic webtoons instead of non-webcomic webtoons. AquilaXIII (talk) 8:00, June 24, 2018 (UTC)
Hi all, I've slowly been working towards this WikiProject and my first Good Topic. I believe I've now reached the limit of how much I can do on my own, but we're getting pretty close:
I have a few things I will need help with from here on out. First of all, obviously, Joey Manley, Girlamatic, and possibly Modern Tales need GA reviews. Of course, I would love to do GA review trades, if anyone is interested. Moreover, Modern Tales in particular has a list of magazine and newspaper articles on its talk page. I don't have access to any early 2000s print sources, so if anyone here does, I would absolutely love to see them. Lastly, I am having difficulty expanding Serializer and Webcomics Nation any further. These two subjects clearly have less sources available than the others. If anyone here is interested in working with me to bring these articles to GA in any way, I would be most happy. Thank you all! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:55, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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For the pages like 2016 in webcomics:
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I noticed it had been at least a year since the Webcomics Group main page had had a refresh. I've rewritten some stuff and moved some stuff around, to the following goals:
Please let me know what you think, and if there's anything you don't like, please do change it back or discuss it here. HenryCrun15 (talk) 07:05, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
It's been a goal of this project for some time to have 20% of webcomic articles be C-class quality or better. As of this comment, we have reached that goal! It is a tenuous crossing of the line for now, as even one new webcomic article would mean the percentage would go down below 20%. But I think it's achievable to keep the standard above this line.
I'd like to thank everyone who's ever improved a webcomics article. Every piece of work helped to get the quality of this webcomic encyclopedia up to where it is today. HenryCrun15 (talk) 01:10, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
I started a merge discussion at Talk:Table Titans and invite you all to join me there if you are interested. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 18:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
This has been an undiscussed issue for years, but since KMWeiland (talk · contribs) moved a few pages and changed over 60 internal links on Wikipedia, I figured this was the right time to actually come to a project-wide consensus on this topic. I am personally definitely not fond of the "WEBTOON" monicker, in part because of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks and in part for the personal reason of being uncomfortable with Naver trademarking the word "webtoon" in any capacity. I kinda regret using "Line" back in the day, as I would usually go for the original name of the website ("Naver"). I was curious about what you all think of this though. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 17:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I've had a go at improving the quality of Lore Olympus. Would someone be willing to review the article for quality? I think it's at least a C-class now, and could be a B if the plot and characters section is brought under control.
I used to send assessment requests to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Assessment but it seems to have been dead for some time. HenryCrun15 (talk) 00:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)