The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Closed/promoted -- Ian Rose (talk) 12:13, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Radzymin (1920)

[edit]
Nominator(s): —//Halibutt 12:39, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural renomination, as the last one did not generate the minimum of three reviewer comments needed; only two reviewers commented with a support. So here we go with round two, hopefully the last round. In the meantime all the issues from the previous assessment have been addressed and the article was also nominated to GA status.

The previous attempt at A-class is located here. //Halibutt 12:35, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • "¶" symbol was introduced after User:Fifelfoo explicitly pointed out that it should be there to mark paragraphs during the first round of A-class assessment. I could replace it with the word "Paragraph" if you prefer, but I believe it's ok as it is. ω Awaiting
  • "organized by who" [1]  Done
  • Underlinking -  Done (at least those you mentioned)
  • Overlinking - [2]  Done
  • Captions - now sourced. In general wiki seems to be in conflict over what a good caption is. Some prefer to have short, informative captions with info only on the picture while others prefer to use the pics pretty much like historical books do: to carry additional info. I sourced the captions, but feel free to shorten them should you feel the need to.  Done
  • Feel free to add more comments. //Halibutt 01:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For an image to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons, it has to be appropriately licensed in its country of origin and the Untied States. The files' status within the US should be made out. If the file is in the public domain in the US because publication occurred before 1923, then we do need to know if the file was actually published at the date mentioned, rather than merely taken. If the file is in the US for another reason, such as publication between 1923 and 1977(or 1989) without US formalities, well, again, we need a publication date. If it was only published when the files were put on that particular website, then, as I understand it, the author might become important. Most of this I imagine you were already aware of, but I couldn't think of a way of laying it out without making it seem slightly patronising to the informed. I think further clarity is needed. (Also, thanks for pinging me. Worth doing so in the future, as well.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 14:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I'm not an expert in current Wikimedia Commons practices. Judging by the fact that the ((PD-Polish)) has been there for 8 years now and nobody ever questioned it as a valid copyright template, it's all ok. If indeed dual licensing for the US is needed, then either ((PD-1996)) or ((PD-US)) are also applicable. Is there any particular problem with any particular photo you're having, or is this just a "just in case" discussion? Anyway, I'll poke Piotrus, who uploaded some of the pictures I added to the article, he might have more info here. //Halibutt 22:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, commons:Commons:Licensing makes the dual licencing part clear "that are in the public domain in at least the United States and in the source country of the work." I accept the Polish licence, it's the US status I'm worried about.
The point in hand is that I'm not entirely satisfied that these files (all of them are the same, I think) tell us enough about their "publication" to establish that they are in the public domain in the US. If, when they were taken, they were publicised - put in a newspaper, journal, that sort of thing, then we're fine. The files don't say that they are. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 23:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"If it was only published when the files were put on that particular website...". By "that particular website" I assume we mean Commons? So what if this is the case? Is publishing a public domain photo for the first time in US somehow removing it from public domain?? I smell copyright paranoia raising its ugly head :( PS. ((PD-1996)) (commons:Template:PD-1996) was already mentioned and seems quite helpful here. Add this to the relevant photos and move on. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 03:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There's really no possibility of the photographs not being considered in PD in the U.S. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 05:09, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) PD-1996 would be a lot more suitable. Piotrus, I meant archiwa.gov.pl by that "particular website". I think if we use PD-1996 then we can say "or after 1978 without copyright notice" and "it was in the public domain in its home country on the URAA date (January 1, 1996 for most countries)." and we can rely on the publication at archiwa.gov.pl as its first publication, as long as we assume that it was a Polish photographer. I'm happy to accept that assumption, but I think it should be stated. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 10:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Could you adjust one image in a way you would like to see those templates / additional notes added, so we can clearly see what you consider to be the best practice here? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox image done as an example. I'm not a IP lawyer, but I think this is a lot clearer. Probably worth double checking at Commons if you go to FAC. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I modified all the other pics accordingly (namely: 1, 2, 3 and 4). Thanks for helping guys. //Halibutt 18:27, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
More