The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 5:27, 25 April 2020 (UTC) [1].

Ian Smith[edit]

Notified: Renamed user df576567etesddf, WP Africa, WP Aviation, WP Cold War, WP Milhist, WP Politics, WP Rhodesia

Review section[edit]

I am nominating this featured article for review because it's clear that it's doesn't abide by the need to represent a neutral POV. This is accomplished by the fact that the overtone window has been shifted away from the mainstream consensus which is overwhelmingly negative into a faux debate unrepresentative of mainstream academic discourse. Large portions of the article labour to try and explain away any one of his racist statements and there is little acknowledgement over the fact he presided over a segregated state. The wording of the article itself is designed to avoid emphasising that and to give a misleading impression regarding his government.

The mere feature of the article being thorough isn't enough to make it a featured article nor is the appearance of showing both sides of the debate when it's clear that fringe perspectives are overemphasized.

I have tried to notify users but am unable to figure out how to format the notification. Zubin12 (talk) 01:50, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notifications done
Zubin12 I will do the notifications for you; you can follow my edits to see how it's done. First, though, there is supposed to be a week between notification on talk and nomination to FAR. The RFC closed only yesterday. The @WP:FAR coordinators: will have to first opine whether it is too soon for this FAR to proceed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@WP:FAR coordinators: SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:24, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
IDK the point of going through that. There are clearly entrenched disputes that won't be resolved any other way. buidhe 16:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After reviewing previous discussions on the article's talk page I think we can proceed with the review at this time; Sandy, if you're willing to do the notifications that would be very helpful. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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References

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It is not "whitewashing" to present reliably sourced, contemporary views of controversial figures who happen to be white. The fact that the "Overton Window" regarding how people spoke about self-governance has (thankfully) moved over the past 50 years does not mean that we can gauge a Cold War political figure, who became the political leader of what then was known as Rhodesia back when countries as modern and progressive as the United States of America still denied the right to vote to most of its black citizens, as if he were a political leader in 2020. *Of course* someone who today espoused that the right to vote be reserved to citizens who pay considerble income taxes and have surpassed certain educational levels (which, in 1960s-1970s Rhodesia hapened to overlap fairly efficiently with Rhodesia's white population), with the majority racial group being limited to the election of a minority of parliamentary seats, would be a fringe figure with almost no support from anyone. But when presenting a historical figure, one must present him or her in context, without historical revisionism. Tha context includes what other countries of the world had been doing for decades, the affiliation of the main rebel group in Rhodesia with Communist countries during the apex of the Cold War, and the lackluster record of recently independent countries no far from Rhodesia that implemented universal suffrage from one day to the next and, in nearly all cases, fell into tyranny and economic misery (and, sometimes, Communism) within a few years. Observers of the time understood that context, and one of the things that makes the "Ian Smith" article so outstanding is that it provides contemporary accounts--with different (and non-fringe) viewpoints--from reliable sources.
Editors who have criticized the way that the article depicts Ian Smith have their real beef not with the editors who wrote the article (which, again, used reliable sources and presented the subject, warts and all, in a NPOV), but with the lack of "Wokeness" of society--both white and black--fifty years ago. It simply will not do to impose 2020 standards on 1960s society (whether African, European or North American), and it is circular to claim that contempraries who spoke positively about Ian Smith were all "white supremacists" whose views are ipso facto "fringe" and should be stricken from public memory, and to use as evidence of such supposed "fringe" "white supremacy" (which is particularly silly when the person admiring certain traits or actions of Ian Smith happens to be a black African) that the person showed certain admiration of Ian Smith.
No figure from the past, no matter how admired by contemporaries, will escape unblemished when viewed through the lens of 2020 society. That does not mean, however, that the historical record should be rewritten by ignoring context and the views of contemporaries. This is Wikipedia, not Wokeapedia, and our goal is to provide readers with complete, properly sourced, NPOV information. The way to do that is not to tear down sublimely writen articles just because the subject matter makes us uneasy. The "Ian Smith" article is as excellent today as it was when it was honored as a featured article in August 2018, and such an honor should not be removed in the name of Woke culture. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 12:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ian Smith was firing figure even for his time being shunned even by western conservative leaders of that time and widely regarded as a racist. It is not workness to ask that an article represents a global view not the view of a small segment of the population and doesn't' attempt to explain away his flaws. Leaving meaningless words like claiming he "Understood uncomfortable truths about the African continent" without expanding on exactly what those uncomfortable truths is just attempting to white-wash his actions that were regarded globally as out of the mainstream. For god-sake his administration in Rhodesia was unrecognized by almost every nation on this planet barring Apartheid South Africa. The tone of the article is defensive to the man, acknowledging his faults only in rebuttal without sufficient weight and neglecting to account for the perspectives of Blacks who made up the vast majority of the populace who he presided over. Zubin12 (talk) 13:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note to all. This is not the place to relitigate the recent RFC. Please confine your commentary to how the article does or does not meet the FA criteria. What would be particularly helpful with regards to assessing the article's representativeness/neutrality is supporting your viewpoint with reliable sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment on FA criteria by Buidhe

Overall, I do think that the article needs improvement to avoid delisting. buidhe 01:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section[edit]

Issues raised in the review section including neutrality and sourcing/coverage. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
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