Category:Prophets of the Qur'an
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- The result of the discussion was: procedural close as a duplicate nomination (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Customary orthography on Wikipedia Editor2020 (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Another unnecessary eponymous category housing two interlinked subcategories with a total of 3 articles. WP:OCEPON StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Earthquakes in Estonia
[edit]Category:Disc golf in Estonia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: To be deleted. No potential to grow. Parent category (Foo by country) is poorly developed. Estopedist1 (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Atlantic International University
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: No reason to believe that there will ever be more than 1 article in this category. Macrakis (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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African-American expatriates in the United Kingdom
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:American expatriates in the United Kingdom. bibliomaniac15 18:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Category:African-American expatriates in the United Kingdom to Category:American expatriates in the United Kingdom
- Nominator's rationale We use these categories to indicate nationals of one country who reside in another. We generally do not break these down by ethnicity. I see no reason to start.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with John Pack Lambert. Rathfelder (talk) 21:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose strongly. These people have a lot in common (they're all pre-Civil War) and keeping them as a group makes sense. If merged, useful information would be lost. deisenbe (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If they all pre-date the American Civil War, than the category is clearly misnamed. See, by its current name I should be able to put Peter M. Johnson in the category. If you want this category to be limited to pre-American Civil War American nationals of African descent expatriate in Britain, than it needs to be renamed Category:Pre-American Civil War African-American expatriates in the United Kingdom. There is no way to justify a super limited scope with the current name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Merge, these were free people living in New England before migrating to the UK so this is very unlike Category:Fugitive American slaves that reached Canada. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- These days "expatriate" is not generally used for people fleeing persecution. Rathfelder (talk) 09:37, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment As I said above, if we want to have this category and limit it to people who were African-Americans who were expatriates in Britain before the US Civil War, this category needs to reflect that in its name. Because the current name absolutely requires me to place Peter M. Johnson in it, and I am sure there are huge numbers of others. Actually I considered placing a mid-20th century actress and singer who was African-American and for a time in London in this category yesterday, but thought better of it. The name says this category should include people down to the present, if we do not want it to be such we need to make this obvious in the name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment There is not even a hatnote that says this category is limited to those who were expatriates before the American Civil War. Even if there was such a hatnote, since people can easily place categories without reading the hatnote, having a hate note absolutely does not fix an issue with a category name in no way actually reflecting the category contents.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If we keep this we absolutely need to rename it Category:African-American expatriates in the United Kingdom before the American Civil War. Because as it is there is no way to justify excluding Peter M. Johnson and thousands of other articles we have on African-Americans who were expatriates in the United Kingdom over the last 156 or so years.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I just removed Edonia Lewis because she was only in Britain long after the American Civil War, and so does not fit the alleged perameters of this category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This category, applying the implied perameters of its one defender, is at 5 entries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Upmerge per nom I don't see any reason to subdivide expatriates by specific ethnic groups. Dimadick (talk) 11:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Upmerge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 12:03, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People of the Duchy of Croatia
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 20:09, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: The modern state of Croatia did not exist in the 7/8th century. At that time, the Duchy of Croatia covered the territory. There is only 1 entry in each category for the 7th & 8th centuries which have been added to Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia. All those in the 9th century category are already members of Category:Dukes of Croatia which is in turn a child of Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:31, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This is curious. The adjective "Croatian" in these phrase doesn't necessarily have to refer to a specific country, rather than any Croatians, i.e. any Croats, so these names are actually more plausible than those explicitly referring to countries. But at the same time, are you going to go through Category:7th-century European people by nationality etc and start trying to make sense of it all? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Category:8th-century Croatian people to Category:8th-century Slavs and Category:Dukes of Croatia; and similar for the 7th-century category, per WP:SMALLCAT. Weak merge for the 9th-century category: although this category is better populated, the more natural starting point of categorizing by century is upon the establishment of the kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the WP:CAT and WP:SMALLCAT exceptions, as the categories are part of well-established category trees, see [1]. Small categories have a potential for growth. As for the medieval and modern state of Croatia, none or almost none of modern states existed in the 7/8/9th centuries in present-day form, surface area, territory coverage or even name. I can't see what's the problem here. --Silverije 21:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Croatia has a much longer history than the modern state, which is barely 30-years-old. Dimadick (talk) 11:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I agree. That's why they are in Category:People from the Duchy of Croatia. I'm not proposing to abolish the Croatian people. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per Marcocapelle's proposal. --Just N. (talk) 12:10, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- It is unnecessary to change anything. The fact that it refers to a particular polity with a particualr status (Duchy or kingdom) can be covered in a headnote. I strongly object to Laura Lodged's policy of fragmenting categories, according to changing constitutrional status. Category names are best when they are short, to limit category clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Century establishments in the Kingdom of Croatia
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 20:08, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Per main article Kingdom of Croatia (925–1102). The modern state of Croatia did not exist in the 10/11th centuries. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Same or similar reasons as above (People of the Duchy of Croatia). --Silverije 21:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Do we have a guideline/precedent on whether categorisation should be done by historic or modern-day states? Many other categories in Category:10th-century establishments by country accord to modern-day entities: Aruba, Belgium, China, Denmark, Egypt etc. Daß Wölf 13:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Croatia has a much longer history than the modern state, which is barely 30-years-old. Dimadick (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Wouldnt Category:Establishments in the Kingdom of Croatia (925–1102) suffice? I do support Rathfelder's proposal. --Just N. (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think we have to consider these issues individually. One pattern wont work everywhere. Rathfelder (talk) 10:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep -- It is unnecessary to change anything. The fact that it refers to a particular polity with a particualr status (Duchy or kingdom) can be covered in a headnote. I strongly object to Laura Lodged's policy of fragmenting categories, according to changing constitutrional status. Category names are best when they are short, to limit category clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:4th-century establishments in Croatia
[edit]Centuries in the Duchy of Croatia
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 20:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: The modern state of Croatia did not exist in the 7/8/9th centuries. For a little under 200 years, a Duchy of Croatia existed. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Same deal as for the 10th-12th centuries. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This is messy. Many articles are overview articles, not about one particular century. Many other articles are about Lower Pannonia, which overlaps a bit with the current republic of Croatia but not with the medieval duchy of Croatia. Manually merging to Category:Duchy of Croatia is perhaps the best option. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Same or similar reasons as above (People of the Duchy of Croatia). --Silverije 21:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Croatia has a much longer history than the modern state, which is barely 30-years-old. Dimadick (talk) 11:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Manually merging to Category:Duchy of Croatia might be the best option. --Just N. (talk) 12:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I can also support a manual merging to Category:Duchy of Croatia. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:48, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -- It is unnecessary to change anything. The fact that it refers to a particular polity with a particualr status (Duchy or kingdom) can be covered in a headnote. I strongly object to Laura Lodged's policy of fragmenting categories, according to changing constitutrional status. Category names are best when they are short, to limit category clutter. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:52, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary per WP:OCEPON and numerous CfD precedent. The subcategories are sufficiently interlinked without any other significant content. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Palestine Technical University
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 31#Category:Palestine Technical University
Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 15:14, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming Category:2021 storming of the United States Capitol to Category:2021 United States Capitol attack
- Propose renaming Category:Aftermath of the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol to Category:Aftermath of the 2021 United States Capitol attack
- Propose renaming Category:Proceedings surrounding the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol to Category:Proceedings surrounding the 2021 United States Capitol attack
- Nominator's rationale: Given the conclusion of the latest rename discussion, it's only fair that this category title follow suit, right? Love of Corey (talk) 03:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Added subcats --Nintendofan885T&Cs apply 12:13, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! Forgot about those. Love of Corey (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support with caveat - this article is becoming a bit of a Gdanzig. Be aware that the name may go through further iterations at some point down the line. Grutness...wha? 03:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as this looks like it will be the stable name for at least a while. If the article is renamed again, the category should be too. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No, I can't support the renaming for encyclopedic reasons. The new wording is more vague and an encyclopedia should keep to clear facts and words. OTOH the formal rules force more or less that the category wording follows the article wording. So the renaming will be done and I'll have to accept that. --Just N. (talk) 19:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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