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Category:Film country list navigational boxes
Category:County highways in DeKalb County, Illinois
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Since the parent category was renamed as appropriate, these categories (which I mentioned should also be renamed, but were not done) should be renamed. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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State supreme court justice categories
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 10:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: Per the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 17#Category:New Jersey Supreme Court justices, I propose renaming all of these to "Justice of the..." construction, which I would assert is the more natural uniform construction to avoid awkward names like the current Category:Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia justices and Category:Supreme Court of Georgia (U.S. state) justices. I note that this formulation has already long been in use for all chief justice categories in Category:State supreme court chief justices in the United States by state (e.g. Category:Chief Justices of the Supreme Court of Alabama). BD2412 T 20:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Good Olfactory, Marcocapelle, and Place Clichy: BD2412 T 20:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Support by nom. Place Clichy (talk) 22:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose -- This change is creating wholly unnecessary verbosity. The present names are perfectly clear. Category names should be kept short. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The "verbosity" is necessitated by the awkward and unrealistic construction of several of the titles, which is why Category:Supreme Court of New Jersey justices has already been moved to Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of New Jersey; historically there has also been a question of whether "justices" should be capitalized, which is mooted by a "Justices of..." construction. If this proposal continues on its trajectory to passing, ping me and I'll do the fixes myself. BD2412 T 15:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also point out that we already have dozens of categories at "Justices of the..." constructions for other countries. We also have hundreds of existing categories at "Judges of the..." constructions, not to mention "Presidents of ..." constructions, "Governors of..." constructions, and so on. BD2412 T 18:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The "verbosity" of which Peterkingiron complains is a myth. these renamings will add precisely 6 characters to the category titles:
of the
. The shortest current title is 28 characters, and the longest is 48. So the increase in the length of the titles will be between 12.% and 21.5%, which is trivial. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:32, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename per nom. This seems like the best solution to the issue of naming of these categories. It nicely resolves the issue of whether we need to capitalize "Justices" and the categories' meanings are clear, with the court names matching the names of the main articles about the courts. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename all per nominator, to remove the ambiguity of the present titles. Thanks to @BD2412 for taking the time to make this nomination. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:26, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Astronomy image articles
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 24#Category:Astronomy image articles
Category:Arabic writing system
Maya (dis)establishments in Guatemala
Category:Aviation accidents and incidents with a sole survivor
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose deleting Category:Aviation accidents and incidents with a sole survivor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Not defining characteristic of a aviation accident. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Years in the Kingdom of Jerusalem
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the Kingdom of Jerusalem has too little content to have it diffused by year; by decade is fine though. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral - this is not as obvious as it looks. The question is not whether those categories are too specific to be by year, but whether they would or would not be populated sufficiently. The Kingdom of Jerusalem is well documented, so I'm tending to think that we may well have enough events to classify by year, but i'm not sure. However, one also has to take into account that the Kingdom of Jerusalem is only one of the Crusader Kingdoms in the Levant, while others - county of Tripoli, Principality of Antioch and County of Edessa do not yet have a category tree of their own. Perhaps we should consider a parent category tree "n-year in the Crusader states" for all those and then this could well have an annual resolution.GreyShark (dibra) 20:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople from chernihiv
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Proper name - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egghead06 (talk • contribs)
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Category:Male Sahabah
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Companions of the Prophet per the above renaming Timrollpickering (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose merging Category:Male Sahabah to Category:Sahabah (note: the target is nominated for renaming, see two discussions above)
- Nominator's rationale: merge, we do not have a men's subcategory whenever there is a women's subcategory, and this is not a case where being a man is defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sahabah favored by Shias
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, based on the articles that I read it does not seem to be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- With some exceptions (of course Ali is such an exception), hardly any of the articles highlights that these people are favored by Shias, so I am not sure on what basis you conclude that this is a pretty clear defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hasan ibn Ali
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 5#Category:Hasan ibn Ali
Category:African American Benevolent Associations
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:African-American organizations. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT and we do not have an established category tree for 'benevolent associations'. The three articles in the category are about African American abolitionist organizations which already are in Category:American abolitionist organizations. If the category would be kept, then rename to Category:African American benevolent associations to remove the capitals. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Doubtful -- At least two of the articles seem to be about mutual support organisations for freed black people, not primarily civil rights organisations. That is the nature of a benevolent society. No doubt the members would be abolitionist in their policy, but was that their prime objective? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Places of Pokhara
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- The result of the discussion was: split merge into Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara, Category:Pokhara and Category:Road junctions in Nepal. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Not certain whether this should be deleted, or improved - another category created by enthusiastic new editor, with no parent category such as Category:Pokhara. PamD 07:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Marcocapelle. These seem to be duplicates. An upmerge to Neighbourhoods would be inappropriate as it is much too vague in scope. Whatever is done, the target needs a headnote stating that Pokhara is a city in Nepal. Contnet of the target should also be purged from the parent Category:Pokhara, which does in fact exist. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Split to Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara, Category:Pokhara and new Category:Road junctions in Nepal, as a new sub-cat of Category:Road junctions by country, since the location Pokhara Zero K.M. does not appear to be a neighbourhood, just a landmark junction. Note that Chowks of Pokhara, which literally means junctions, was already merged to Neighbourhoods, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_July_10#Category:Chowks_of_Pokhara; but at least some of the "Chowk" articles could also be categorised as road junctions. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ward of Pokhara
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wards of Pokhara. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: 1: Title should be "Wards ...", but 2: None of the articles in the category appear to be wards - all are described as being "located in" various wards. Category has been created, with no parent categories, by enthusiastic but very new editor who does not appear to understand how categories work. PamD 07:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Note for closer - the editor seems to have used the uncreated Category:Ward in Pokhara ("in" not "on") for 8 articles that appear to be about actual formal wards. I don't know anything about Pokhara and so don't have strong views in general about this, but chowks seem to be loosely-defined "neighbourhoods", whereas wards are the formal subdivisions. The article lists 33 wards in a city of ~400k, so an article for each ward seems just about justifiable, but I'd tend to nuke any of the neighbourhoods/chowks that don't correspond to a formal ward.Le Deluge (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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- @Marcocapelle: Presumably those are just working names as a result of the administrative reorganisation following federalisation in 2015 - even entire provinces are still called things like Province No. 5, although some of them like Gandaki Pradesh (formerly Province No. 4) have been renamed. But the names in Category:Ward in Pokhara seem to correspond to the ward names matched against ward numbers in the list at Pokhara#Location, so I assume they are at the very least pencilled in to replace the numbers? Le Deluge (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Note I have just created Category:Ward in Pokhara as a ((category redirect)) to Category:Ward of Pokhara. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral (for now). This is a bit of a mess. The editor(s) who created these categories don't seem to understand the category system. The contributors at CFD are asking the pertinent questions, but none of the contributors so far (including me) seem to know much about Nepal (let alone Pokhara); we are gleaning what we can, but it's fragmentary. It's even very clear whether or not some of the substub articles in these categories are actually wards, and I am also unsure about the reliability of the unsourced list of wards at Pokhara#Location: to what extent are the names synonymous with the numbers?
- Everyone involved is clearly acting in good faith, but I am wary of any decision in any direction being made on the basis of such hazy knowledge. I see that the nominator has already commented at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal about some categorisation ...and I think that this discussion would benefit from a relisting and a call for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WikiProject Essays articles
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages.
- Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Essays articles to Category:WikiProject Essays pages
- Nominator's rationale: These are project pages, not encyclopaedia articles. Adam9007 (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rankin/Bass Productions television series
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- The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 17:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Rankin/Bass Productions, Inc. was later renamed "Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment". EuantheEditor (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pagans of the Crusades
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: rename, this is unrelated to the better known crusades in the Middle East where the term "pagans" is never used. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aesop's Fables shorts
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator's rationale: Article Aesop's Fables (film series) should be main article. ★Trekker (talk) 08:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Negro
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Propose Deleting Category:Negro
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
- The explicit purpose of this category is to group articles with the word Negro in them according to the header: "Articles relating to the term Negro, a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage." I can't imagine any reader wanting a direct navigational path between Negro league baseball, Negro Head Road (North Carolina) and N.W.A. There's no need for a merger because those examples are already better categorized in Category:African-American sports history, Category:History of racism in North Carolina, and Category:African-American musical groups, respectively, as all are all the other articles here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Not defining - and in any case, what would we do with articles for items with Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese names, where the word simply means "black"? Do we add in Montenegro or Rio Negro? Grutness...wha? 04:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, this is an obvious case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete as WP:SHAREDNAME for unrelated things, mostly about negative protrayals and references to Black people. Unless the ones about the term Negro itself and related terms like nigger are okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The category is about the term and its historical uses, not about racism specific to any location or to a single sport. Dimadick (talk) 08:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Rename to something that makes it clear that this is a category falling under Category:Terminology, and purge everything unrelated to the lexicographic examination of the term and related terms. BD2412 T 22:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep but purge -- Negro is the Spanish word for black. It is appropriate as a parent to Negro league baseball, Free negro etc, along with currently disparaged words like nigger/nigga, which are likewise derived from the Latin niger (black). This is not merely a case of sharedname, but I think it should be limited to uses from the segregation era and purged of anything later - into equivalent African American categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this will never be anything but a collecting ground for articles better classified in the existing structures. Yes, "negro" is Spanish for the color black, but then Negros (island) and Rio Negro and such would merit inclusion as being named so by the Spanish - but what is being categorized here is how the term (and those also derived from Spanish or Latin) is used in relation to people and the contextualization of that usage. We don't do that with other terminology. E.g,. we have no Category:Caucasian (interesting how white people are supposedly originating there?), Category:Latino, Category:Latina (a dab category of Latin language etc, not ethnicity), Category:Latinx (also interesting that people from south of the border of the US are termed based on a region of Italy, but the people from that region aren't), etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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