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The result was delete. Kurykh 03:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edson Elcock (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Willy Guadarrama (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Footballers without a club, who have never played a game in a professional league. Punkmorten (talk) 15:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. WP:N is satisfied on both players, who both have significant accomplishments at the college level. --Roehl Sybing (talk) 16:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both as they fail WP:BIO for not having played in a fully-professional league. пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2.6 of WP:BIO is satisfied. --Roehl Sybing (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't see how. Soccer is not an amateur sport, and as such falls outside of that clause, if that's what you're referring to. Essentially, these soccer players never made it. They could return to club soccer in the future, but that's WP:CRYSTAL territory. Punkmorten (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • All college-level sports are considered amateur; according to this article, which is linked from 2.6 of WP:BIO, "By definition amateur sports require participants to participate without remuneration." College players meet this definition, and by extension meet WP:BIO, otherwise football player Tim Tebow wouldn't deserve an article. WP:N is satisfied with significant, non-trivial sources already listed in the respective articles. Claims of WP:CRYSTAL are irrelevant in this case. --Roehl Sybing (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I suspect Tebow is notable only because of his Heisman. I don't believe a person is automatically notable because they participated in college athletics. However, before deleting these two, I'd like to see if they played professionally in the USL at some point. If not, I don't think they are notable. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It appears that Elcock has only made first team appearances with the amateur Brooklyn Knights and Old Dominion University. I don't see any evidence that he played with the Kansas City Wizards first team (he did play for their reserves). Jogurney (talk) 17:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both as according to article fail WP:BIO. Peanut4 (talk) 19:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, both fail WP:BIO BanRay 00:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete He has not played for a fully professional team - and with reference to the argument of Roehl Sybing, association football is not an amateur sport; it is a professional sport, played by professional teams in the US; and this individual has not played for one of those professional teams. Robotforaday (talk) 01:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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