The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete both. --Oxymoron⁸³ 09:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Val Jean (Star Trek) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Valiant (Star Trek) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Article makes no assertion of real-world notability. Article offers no citations to reliable secondary sources; article relies solely on in-universe plot summary. --EEMIV (talk) 18:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Abstain I wrote Val jean article. No opinion on notability; merely wrote it as previous version was copyvio Computerjoe's talk 19:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both per nom, both articles are nothing but in-universe plot summaries with no out-of-universe importance. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 19:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep both. The articles could certainly be criticised, most notably for their in-universe perspective and lack of sourcing. But that ought not to make them articles for deletion, only articles needing further development. --Malleus Fatuorum 21:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - the ship is not notable, as it was only featured partially in one episode of a series that ran for seven years, and was not a major focus in that one episode. The article is in-universe, and has no real-world notability. Ejfetters 01:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also delete the Valiant article, for the same reasons above, no real-world notability. Ejfetters 01:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- Both need to assert notability through references. Judgesurreal777 19:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete articles fail WP:Plot, WP:WAF and WP:FICT. Ridernyc 22:54, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete likewise. Coccyx Bloccyx 00:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.