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The result was delete. All contributors but one consider that our inclusion criteria are not met. Sandstein 19:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Uwe Muegge

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I think the article does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people. Tobias Kuhn (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Tobias Kuhn (talk) 19:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree with the nominator. Although this person has authored a number of scientific papers, he does not appear to have been himself the subject of "multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" per WP:BASIC. Does not appear to meet the WP:PROF test either –given that simply having authored a large number of published academic works is not considered sufficient to satisfy the professor test. No evidence that the person's research has made significant impact in his scholarly discipline. --Edcolins (talk) 21:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not even the slightest evidence of notability that I can find.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 21:47, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. Where are you guys looking? Yes, this article has certainly not been updated in a while, however, I just started working on it. And yes, this person has been the subject of secondary resources, in fact, he has been interviewed by one of the most prominent living translation scholars, Anthony Pym [1], and several other sources e.g. [2], [3]. He has been invited to speak at the most prominent conferences in the field, most recently at the World Congress of the International Federation of Translators, where he was one of the few presenters involved in multiple sessions [4], and he has been presenting at highly visible industry events, e.g. GALA webinars [5], IMUG meetups [6] Also, Muegge is one of the few educators in the translation field who is currently embracing cloud computing [7] and social networking [8]. Several months ago, I started working on articles in this category. Let me work on this one some more (there are plenty of references and resources!), and I am confident that this article will be a strong one by comparison with some of the others in this category. --Zorquis (talk) 22:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An interview posted on Facebook isn't a published secondary source independent of the subject (WP:BASIC). I have also looked at the other references you have provided and I don't see anything out there showing that this person meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability (academics). --Edcolins (talk) 21:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have you actually looked at the Translation Scholars Interviews? Here is the series description: "Interviews with researchers and theorists who work on translation, along with some seminars. Presented by the Intercultural Studies Group in Tarragona, Spain." This is literally a "Who's Who" in Translation Studies: Alan Melby, Michael Cronin, Daniel Gile, Mona Baker, to name just a few, are all there. So yes, this is not only an independent secondary source, it's a high-profile one at that. In addition, he clearly meets two other notability criteria for academics, i.e. "3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g. a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g. the IEEE)" Muegge is a member of the U.S. delegation to Technical Committee 37 of the International Organization for Standardization [9] and as the appointed Chair of the Translation and Localization Management Program, he also meets "6. The person has held a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society." --Zorquis (talk) 02:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm afraid that Zorquis' interpretation of the WP:PROF criteria is incorrect. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 08:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did I cite WP:PROF incorrectly? Please elaborate and support your opinion.--Zorquis (talk) 16:31, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You cite it correctly, you interpret it incorrectly. Being Chair of some program is generally not considered to be "a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society". Read the notes in WP:PROF. What is meant here is president of a notable university, president of a major international scientific society, etc. Neither is being a member of an ISO commission considered to be "an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association". An ISO commission really is not comparable to a National Academy of Sciences. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROF explicitly cites membership in IEEE as satisfying Criterion 3 of WP:PROF. There can be no doubt that being a member of ISO, which is a highly influential, highly selective international organization, is at least as prestigious as being a member of IEEE. --Zorquis (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zorquis, WP:PROF does not say that being member of IEEE makes somebody notable. It says that being "a Fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g. the IEEE)" makes an academic/professor notable. The article IEEE Fellow explains the difference between an IEEE Fellow and an IEEE member. --Edcolins (talk) 08:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To the best of my knowledge, delegates to ISO TCs are invited, based on outstanding contributions to the field. As the number of reps in an ISO TC is very small, being a member of an ISO TC is at least as prestigious as being an IEEE fellow; plus members in ISO TCs are certainly much more influential than IEEE fellows.--Zorquis (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you take a look at who is a member of ISO/TC 37, you will only see the names of movers and shakers in the field of translation/terminology theory and practice, e.g. Sue Ellen Wright, Alan Melby, Arle Lommel, ... and Uwe Muegge. [10]--Zorquis (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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