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The result was keep. Please move sources discovered into the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Doe not meet GNG. One ref is the company website. The other is short local restaurant review (a Orange Coast Magazine directory-type listing that is published often). Searching finds social media, restaurant review sites, etc, all of which is routine for almost any restaurant. I found one newspaper article about a rodent infestation problem that is not in the article. MB 03:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. MB 03:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. MB 03:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete per nom - a WP:MILL restaurant with a single location, no particular claim of notability, and only local coverage. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 04:23, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete One mention of them shut down by the health inspector and a few mentions of the owner in the LA times, I don't see much more. Oaktree b (talk)

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Restaurant reviews:
     1. Hodgins, Paul (1998-01-03). "Hidden Treasure - Steak house gets snippy - Nixon resigned his tie without regret at this renowned canyon-country steak house". Orange County Register. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The 513-word restaurant review notes: "The Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse is one of those rustic roadhouses that, at first glance, looks nothing like a place where our 37th president would have felt comfortable. Tucked into a leafy, rural south-county byway near O'Neill Regional Park, the 29-year-old restaurant (born the year Dick was elected to the Oval Office) is the picture of homey unpretentiousness. ... Obviously, Dick didn't. A cherished 1979 photo, guarded by plexiglass on the left as you enter, shows Nixon losing his neckwear to the scissors _ that must have made the Secret Service guys jumpy _ and next to it is the offending tie, ..."

        The Orange County Register is a regional newspaper which means that the restaurant passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Audience, which says:

        The source's audience must also be considered. Evidence of significant coverage by international or national, or at least regional, media is a strong indication of notability. On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary.

     2. Chao, Fifi (2005-07-04). "Legendary Haunts: Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse". Orange County Business Journal. Vol. 28, no. 27. pp. 28–29. ISSN 1051-7480. EBSCOhost 17640982.

        The 333-word restaurant review notes: "We have to thank the original owners who opened Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse 37 years ago. Steve and Dori Nordeck, the owners since 1987, have kept the fun tradition and the good, understandable food coming. This place is one of a kind. Live oak trees, huge ones, grow right through the roof of the restaurant. The wall and ceiling decorations are neckties cut from city dudes who didn't know the rules: come in with a tie and leave without the bottom two thirds. For all the fun of kicking back in casual clothes at this cozy, rustic place, the food is serious."

     3. Chao, Fifi (2004-07-05). "Summer in the Cities: Trabuco Oak Steakhouse". Orange County Business Journal. Vol. 27, no. 27. pp. 45–46. ISSN 1051-7480. EBSCOhost 13773882.

        The restaurant review notes: "Trabuco Oaks still is completely rustic with raw wood beams and studs showing off their might, albeit behind literally thousdands of neckties on display that have been cut from dudes who wandered in grossly overdressed for the occasion. And we must not forget to point out that the massive oak tree, arund which the restaurant was built, still grows through the roof, necessitating a larger roof opening every few years to accommodate it. ... Chef Mario Moreno started as a dishwasher here 15 years ago and stayed on, turning into a superb grill chef."

  2. Significant coverage and passing mentions:
     1. Perry, Charles (2003-02-26). "Steak served with a legacy". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article provides 193 words of coverage about the restaurant. The article notes: "Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse is an oddity, maybe because it opened in the contrarian ‘60s (the year was 1968). ... the county's most venerable steakhouse is way up in the hills, and its decor is closer to Dogpatch than Las Vegas. This might have been the restaurant that started the cute custom of snipping the necktie off anybody who walks in wearing one. The back dining room is a morgue of martyred neckties, hanging from the rafters in their thousands like rumpled, bravely colorful stalactites, speaking mutely of the changing necktie styles of decades past."

     2. "Tie is prime cut at steakhouse". Richmond Times-Dispatch. 2007-07-08. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article notes: "Signed, framed jerseys are everywhere in restaurants, but there's a more impressive piece of sports memorabilia at the Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse in Orange County's Trabuco Canyon. It's a rustic place where they'll cut off your tie if you wear one, and thousands of those lopped-off accessories hang from the ceiling or are stapled to the walls."

     3. Epstein, Benjamin (1998-05-28). "Happy Trails--Until We Eat Again". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article notes: "For dinner, it’s hard to beat the Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse. Just inside is a bathtub full of plants and a display of barbed wire; farther along is a fascinating collection of ceramic Jim Beam whisky bottles. The restaurant has held fast to a no-tie policy for 30 years, which means there’s no holding fast enough to yours to keep it from joining the 7,500 other ties hanging from the rafters. [one more paragraph about the restaurant's offerings]"

     4. Hamm, Catharine (2019-03-17). "It's about the animals on a weekend escape to Orange County's canyon country". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article notes: "Lunch was a turkey sandwich eaten under an oak tree, so I felt no guilt about a steak dinner at Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse, which prides itself on its no-necktie policy. The cut-off remnants of neckwear have become part of the restaurant’s decor, including one from 1979 said to have belonged to former President Nixon. My 8-ounce sirloin ($26) went well with a skillet of hot button mushrooms, and Gary seemed happy with his 8-ounce filet ($36). Best steak we ever had? Not quite, but it was far more succulent than that turkey sandwich."

     5. Inge, Arline, ed. (2007) [1983]. A Marmac Guide to Los Angeles and Northern Orange County: 5th Edition. Gretna, Louisiana: Pelican Publishing Company. p. 85. ISBN 978-1-58980-393-0. Retrieved 2022-01-30 – via Google Books.

        The book notes: "Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse ... This quaint little hideaway in the country is the local choice for the best steaks around. Business cards and snipped ties from customers, including Richard Nixon, cover the walls along with funky signs and sayings. Its specialty is great-tasting beef. Dinner nightly."

     6. Quines, Bryan (2008-01-17). "Feel like you could eat a cow? Try these places". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article notes: "For a steak cooked the cowboy way, head to Trabuco Oaks Steak House ... The roadhouse serves steaks cooked over a true mesquite grill. No electric or gas, just fire and wood. Fancy clothes ain’t welcome here, city slicker, and employees will cut your tie off if you even try. Hundreds of ties adorn the walls, including Richard Nixon’s, displayed near the entrance. The big daddy on the menu is the Cowboy ($46.96), a 32-ounce aged top sirloin steak. The waitress warns that even medium cooked steaks will have some pink so order accordingly. For a side, try the hand-cut fries. They’re even better than In-N-Out’s spuds."

     7. Cuniff, Meghann M. (2018-06-29). "San Juan Capistrano mourns Steve Nordeck, 76, proprietor of Swallow's Inn and El Adobe". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article provides one sentence of coverage about the restaurant. The article notes about Steve Nordeck: "He for several years owned the Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse, a destination restaurant near where Moiso and Aguirre were developing Rancho Santa Margarita."

     8. "Unlikely Achievers in the Orange County Restaurant Scene". Orange Coast. 2018-04-19. Archived from the original on 2022-01-30. Retrieved 2022-01-30.

        The article provides one sentence of coverage about the subject: "Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse Hefty, mesquite-grilled steaks in the county’s remaining wilderness, resisting change since 1968."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Trabuco Oaks Steakhouse to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 08:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources Cunard provided above. I knew there were some reviews on the restaurant floating around out there but I'm not great at finding that stuff. My apologies for the poorly-sourced first rendition of the article. Sewageboy (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Kudos to Cunard for the extensive research they provided for this discussion. Sewageboy (talk) 20:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mzoli's Meats and Cunard's good work; let's work to get those sources in the article.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep sources shared by Cunard establish notability. NemesisAT (talk) 22:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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