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The result was delete. BLP1E is specific that subjects of nios must be notable for more then one event,. In judging consensus I must balance the arguments against policy. BLP1E is policy and BIO and N are guidelines so BLP takes precedence. I wil redirect them all to [edit]List of Scripps National Spelling Bee champions after deletion Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sai R. Gunturi[edit]

Contested prod. Notable only for a single event, winning the 2003 National Spelling Bee. No other claims of notability. RadioFan (talk) 11:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following pages of other spelling bee winners because they also are notable for only this single event. They are listed on List of Scripps National Spelling Bee champions which is sufficient:

Kavya Shivashankar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Sameer Mishra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Katharine Close (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Anurag Kashyap (Jeopardy and Scripps National Spelling Bee champion) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Nupur Lala (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Rebecca Sealfon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Wendy Guey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Amanda Goad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Rageshree Ramachandran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Jacques Bailly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

George Thampy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Comment. Not sure this should be a single listing at least two seem to have possible notabality beyond winning the competition - Jody-Anne Maxwell for presenting a TV show in Jamaica and Katie Kerwin McCrimmon for being ESPN2 commentator on the competition for many years. Dpmuk (talk) 12:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment They've been moved to their own AFDs. That should keep this discussion as focused as possible.--RadioFan (talk) 12:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. —RadioFan (talk) 12:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. —RadioFan (talk) 12:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all (some may warrant separate renom). I'm working on the premise that a spelling bee is equivalent to a sporting event. Generally, athletes who compete nationally at the highest possible level in a sport, in the most notable competitive organization/competition of that sport are deemed notable. If they win at the national level, they are clearly notable. I accept spelling isn't as notable as some other types of competition, so we probably shouldn't include all the competitors, but the winners do seem notable. --Rob (talk) 13:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I cant see this as a sport, it's a competition. The comparison to atheletes also doesn't work because articles about professional or Olympic level athletes can generally show significant coverage throughout there careers and don't fall to WP:BIO1E as a result. However these only coverage is concerning this one event and any additional information is biographical and no other claims of notability are made. There is no doubt that the competition is notable, the question is do these biographies meet the criteria described by notability guidelines specific to biographies.--RadioFan (talk) 15:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well the Olympics is just an event, isn't it? These kids don't magically appear, they have to win the competitions that lead up to this one... sounds like a sport to me. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 15:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep all. Winning National Spelling Bee demonstrates notability; winner typically receives substantial TV/print media coverage, if only briefly. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all - winning a national competition passes the notability guidelines. -Falcon8765 (talk) 18:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think we could probably keep all of them, but I haven't checked each one to see if enough information is available. I do know that Jacques Bailly unequivocally passes the general notability guideline, as he has been the primary subject of multiple news articles spread out over several years and published in several locations: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], etc. Zagalejo^^^ 05:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All. A National coverage merits as a good reference for notability.
Delete all. This looks like it is going to be a keep, but I have to say it. National coverage of one event is still WP:ONEVENT. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be WP:FIVEVENTS for Katherine Close, who was a finalist 2002-2006. She was also one of five people featured in an independently published book, giving her the substantial independent coverage called for in W:N. --Rob (talk) 15:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Except that the assertion of notability isn't being a finalist, it is for winning......And she only won once. One event. Niteshift36 (talk) 08:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Sai R. Gunturi and any of the others who are notable only for winning the Scripps National Spelling Bee to Scripps National Spelling Bee. Per WP:ONEEVENT, "When the role played by an individual in the event is less significant, an independent article may not be needed, and a redirect is appropriate." Gunturi is notable as the 2003 champion, but not central to the Scripps National Spelling Bee overall. Note that this recommendation holds only for those individuals notable only for winning the Scripps National Spelling Bee; Amanda Goad, Jody-Anne Maxwell, and possibly others in the list are notable for more than one event. Gunturi is not. Cnilep (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All. A National coverage merits as a good reference for notability. (Dewan S. Ahsan 22:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC))
Comment Even if we accept that WP:ONEVENT applies (I don't), Scripps is not one event! It's one event per year since 1925. Every single year, a huge amount new coverage is generated, internationally, of the lead up (lower level competitions), the event itself, and for a while afterwards, especially if their was any special controversy/incident occurring. So, WP:ONEVENT would support a redirect to Scripps National Spelling Bee 2008, Scripps National Spelling Bee 2007, etc... with each such article covering the more significant competitors and details of their respective competition. --Rob (talk) 02:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- - The event might be annual, but these are biographies. If this were an article about the event, you'd have a point. Many of them only make it once or only win once, hence one event. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - comment Previous winners are not allowed to return in this competition; thus each only wins once. Decafdyke (talk) 12:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
keep We would keep such articles if this were an athletic contest. This is no different. Easily meets WP:BIO. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All National winners. This is a notable competition, almost as important as American Idol. But seriously, the winners are all obviously notable and attract lots of media attention each year. Bearian (talk) 00:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per other comments. Additionally, I don't think the national spelling bee properly falls within WP:BIO1E. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 22:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sigh.......nobody is saying the bee itself falls under BIO1E, it's the BIOGRAPHIES OF THE PEOPLE LISTED that do! Niteshift36 (talk) 07:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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