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The result was nomination withdrawn. Sources and pruning provided. - Richfife 17:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Philippine National Heroes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

List is unverifiable opinion of editors and definite edit war bait. If an article of this type is not based on the opinions of an official entity like this one is: National heroes of Nepal, it really shouldn't stay. - Richfife 19:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• • Withdraw nomination - Lenticel has done an excellent job of finding sources that justify the article. Hats off! - Richfife 17:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Keep If the list of heroes was handed to wikipedia from an external source (as with the Nepalese heroes mentioned by the nom), then it would be something. As it stands, this is the epitome of original research and it is inherently POV. —Gaff ^ταλκ 19:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Reference/source for the list from the Phillipine Congress has been provided (see below). Now that an external source is identified, I am more inclined to vote keep. It is no longer unmainatable "cruft."—Gaff ^ταλκ 22:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete reeks of WP:OR, and agreed, major edit war bait. Whsitchy 20:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Who defines who a national hero is, and will they have agreement from everyone else? Far too broad a spectrum of possibilities here, and unreferenced to boot. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per Whsitchy Tim^V.B._{{critic & speak}} 23:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - unreferenced original research. WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 00:05, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I believe the list was based here. Its origin seems to be questionable[1]

Selection of Phil. national heroes can be gleaned here. Which came form the Phil. congress [2] I believe they have some recommended (and short) list of national heroes as well.

I'm torn between deleting the article as a Wikipedian and keeping it as a Filipino. I hope with these resources, you could come up with a more enlightened decision. --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Unmaintainable list, potential cruft.Blueboy96 15:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Well I started the article but I don't have time for it right now... too busy at the moment!... what ever the decision... I have no problem... but if there's someone generous to help develop the article you are welcome!... peads 04:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Despite the first source, the second source contradicts it, and is from the actual government. Staying as delete. Whsitchy 14:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'll overhaul the whole thing using only the second and official reference. Hopefully it'll prevent the article into becoming an edit war battleground. --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:18, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep now that list is sourced to official government proclamation. --Charlene 11:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and clean up the list. In particular, keep only those historical figures that always figure prominently in historical texts and in educational textbooks, and remove everyone else (I haven't even heard of the other, supposed national heroes). (Rizal, Bonifacio and their contemporaries would count.) --- Tito Pao 12:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.