The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. — Aitias // discussion 17:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orange County ska scene

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Page originally proposed for deletion in 09/07, disputed and then proposed for merger. Since that time no substantive edits have been made to the page except to add nonnotable bands to that section. Article is entirely original research centered around a poorly formed concept which itself is very POV. There is significant overlap between this article and more notable topics like Ska and List of bands from Los Angeles. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 03:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Third wave ska. Orpheus (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Whatever is this article? Absolutely no demonstration of notability, and it seems rather hopeless for getting any better. Nyttend (talk) 03:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Strong Keep~~ Orange County is not exactly LA. I found stories on Google News pretty easily. Added a couple and I'm sure there are more. These were just two quickies available from the last few months. A notable subject, article may need some work.ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

None of those sources use the term "Orange County ska scene". Lumping all of them into that category without verifying it with a reliable source is original research. Using sources which mention the term, but do not describe anything about, violates WP:NEO. Cobbling together sources about bands that are from cities in Orange County, but do not directly address the Orange County ska scene is synthesis. There are no reliable sources that can be employed to prevent this article from relying heavily on primary research. Cumulus Clouds (talk) 04:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Ska. As I noted on the article's talk page last year, this topic doesn't appear to be notable enough to stand alone. Yes, there were a lot of ska bands from OC during the '90s (as a southern California resident and a fan of ska-punk who was in high school & college during the '90s I can attest to this), but there just isn't enough to say about it that wouldn't fit nicely into the ska article. It's rather hard to write articles about regional "scenes", as source material from outside that scene is often difficult to turn up. In the year since I tagged the article for merger into the ska article (I notice the merge tag has been removed...not sure why) I haven't come across any sources that would help this article, and I've done a decent amount of reading on the subject (it relates to the topic of my masters thesis). Merging what verifiable, NPOV info there is into the ska artice would be appropriate; the rest can then be deleted as the title is a very unlikely search term. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The merge tag has been there over a year, I'd say that we could probably invoke WP:BOLD and just do the merge. It doesn't seem like anyone is proposing the entire content be deleted, and making it a redirect doesn't require admin action. Any objections? Orpheus (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I created a section for the information in Ska. I'd like to see most or all of it included as I think it's notable and interesting information. I didn't realize No Doubt and Sublime and many other major ska punk bands came out of Orange County. The list of bands is rather long, so maybe it can be put in a table so it take up less space? Also, while you're at it, there's a proposal to merge Third wave ska. I think one great ska article would be a good idea. But others may disagree...ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Third wave ska. Delete: Not notable enough to stand on its own. JamesBurns (talk) 05:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Perhaps some of this information (if original research can be so classified) belongs elsewhere, but not in its entirety nor without references. Bongo matic 23:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton ^Happy ^Holidays 01:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Foxy Loxy ^Pounce! 01:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The majority of the article is speculation while the rest seems to be taken from the Ska article. Tavix (talk) 01:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Ska. A better place to include notable information on the numerous bands that came out of Orange County like No Doubt, Sublime and many others. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.