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The result was delete. Shimeru 09:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Naomh Moninne Hurling Club

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Delete Non-notable amateur club. No independent sources cited, and no evidence of notability found on searching. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Naomh Moninne Hurling Club. Club is notable for following reasons:

It has the distinction of being the first club to represent Louth in the Leinster Senior Club Hurling Championship back in 1974.
Since its foundation in 1959 it has been one of the most successful hurling clubs in County Louth, winning eleven Louth Junior Hurling Championships and eight Louth Senior Hurling Championships.
The club and its founder, Fr. Pól Mac Sheáin, were instrumental in founding the All-Ireland Poc Fada Championship, which is a popular annual event on the GAA calender, and has attracted some of Ireland's greatest ever hurlers, such as Ollie Walsh, Ger Cunningham, Davy Fitzgerald and Brendan Cummins.

For these reasons, Naomh Moninne Hurling Club is not just one of the most successful hurling clubs in Louth, but one of the most historic hurling clubs in all of Ireland. Wishboneash87 talk 14:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: For reasons outlined above by Wishboneash87. Teester (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:V. Lacks significant coverage in sources that are independent of subject. Gigs (talk) 00:53, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:00, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

keepNeeds more reliable sources but notability is there for all to see. All GAA clubs are amateur, which doesn't militate against notability.194.80.52.158 (talk) 09:33, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - it's not nationally notable, never mind by the standards of wikipedia. Otherwise my kids' local judo club would be up there in lights. And these sort of priests ("local priest, an tAthair Pól Mac Sheáin (Father Paul Johnston), introduced the game of hurling to young boys from the Fatima area of Dundalk.") raise all sorts of awful concerns now.Red Hurley (talk) 13:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Separately, all the "Naomh Moninne" "Cumann Peile nÓg" "An tAthair Mac Sheáin" phrases need to be in English on English wikipedia, or translated with the Irish originals. Was Father "Johnston" not probably a MacShane Johnson, the Ui Neill sept from Armagh? Was he ordained under the surname Mac Sheáin or Johnson? Too rough as well as lack of notability.Red Hurley (talk) 13:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This wiki page is not meant to put the Naomh Moninne club "up there in lights", it is merely there to provide information about the club as part of an ongoing effort to improve the coverage of Gaelic games on Wikipedia. It is therefore within the scope of Wikipedia:WikiProject Gaelic games. Furthermore, this is one of the most informative and best cited articles on a GAA club that I have come across on Wikipedia, so if it meets the criteria for deletion, then should all articles on GAA clubs be deleted? I think not. Das_shtig talk 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is not fair insinuate anything suspect about Fr Paul Johnston just because he is a priest. It is merely factual information that he introduced the game of hurling to the youth of Fatima, Dundalk and it is certainly no reason for deleting the whole article. This is just one sentence and can be phrased differently if needs be. Das_shtig talk 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

‘Naomh Moninne’ and ‘Cumann Peile nÓg’ are not "phrases", they are entities with Irish names and therefore do not need to be in English. Examples include Bus Éireann and Bord Gáis. I know from a direct source that Fr Paul Johnston was ordained as Fr Johnston but liked to be known as ‘an tAthair Mac Sheáin’, as he was a great fan of the Irish language. Again, this is trivial stuff that can be resolved without deleting the article. Das_shtig talk 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm intrigued where a Mac Sheáin becomes Johnston and not Johnson. It seemed a bit mickey mouse. For foreign users of wikipedia "Cumann Peile nÓg" should be translated - but keep the original as well. I'll change from delete to "reword and tidy up please".Red Hurley (talk) 19:39, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable amateur club. A few local news items does not cut it. Abductive (reasoning) 06:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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