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The result was merge to Elem Pomo. MBisanz ^talk 13:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Loretta Kelsey

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Speaking a laguage does not make you notable, especially when there isn't even a page for the language you speak. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamc714 (talk • contribs)

Ask, and it shall be given you -- Elem Pomo language, ex nihilo! Baileypalblue (talk) 06:28, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - Being the last native speaker of a nearly extinct language makes you notable as verified by the multiple sources I added to the article. Someone might bring up WP:ONEEVENT, which I think doesn't apply since the ability to speak a language isn't really an event. If she is only notable for on ability, so be it. Another possibility would be to merge this into the article on the language, but this is not the place to discuss that. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 06:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: added sources satisfy the general notability guideline, and I agree that the last remaining repository for a non-written language is notable, particularly when the individual in question is spearheading a campaign to keep the language alive. Satisfies WP:CREATIVE: "is regarded as an important figure" among her peers. WP:ONEVENT does not apply -- her campaign to save the language is not just a one-time event, and there's also an article about how she got kicked out of her own tribe -- that's two different context points. There's room for separate articles on the language and on the individual. Baileypalblue (talk) 07:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge I wholehartedly agree with the sentiments above. Being the last fluent speaker of a nearly extinct language makes a person noteworthy. However, I'm not convinced there's enough article make an article separate from that about the language, so I'd be happy to support a merge. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both this and Elem Pomo with Pomo people. Anyone searching for her is searching for the last living speaker of Elem Pomo. There's not two articles there. And there doesn't seem to be any specific notability for this colony's language aside from the news story (so the article can't be expanded), but there is for Pomo people. - Ddawkins73 (talk) 15:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Elem Pomo, as the subject is better decribed in context. Any further merge to Pomo people is a matter for a separate discussion - this AfD is not about Elem Pomo or Pomo people. In case I don't manage to contribute to that possible further discussion, I would like to point out that language and ethnicity are usually not synonymous, so I would be surprised if such a further move was appropriate. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not synonomous, but one set fits firmly inside the other. It isn't like Spanish or English: The language belongs to the Pomo of the Elem colony only. What this AfD shouldn't be about is bureaucracy for the sake of it. We can comfortably manage the merge to Pomo People. - Ddawkins73 (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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