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The result was Merge to List of characters on The West Wing. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-22 10:53Z

List of The West Wing deaths[edit]

List of The West Wing deaths (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This is pure trivia. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Characters die on lots of shows. We don't need a list of them. - Hnsampat 16:01, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per nom. If the information is worthy enough, it can be combined in the West Wing article. Noroton 18:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. This really is pointless, and we couldn't maintain a list like this for every TV show. Hut 8.5 19:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment from nominator I should add that this list already includes many insignificant or completely off-screen "characters". If this list were to be comprehensive, it should include every soldier killed in any attack that President Josiah Bartlet orders as well as all of the tens of thousands of people who die in civil wars and genocides on the show. This is indiscriminate information. --Hnsampat 19:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep There is already a List of The West Wing episodes, and it looks to me like a justifiable list. There seems to be a separate WP article for every episode of this show. If you scan through the present article you will see a ton of blue links, which shows that it's heavily connected to the other coverage of The West Wing. Given that the notability of this show goes without saying, I believe this list is not excessive. In answer to User:Hnsampat's comment above, a sentence might be added to the article indicating it includes only deaths of named characters. That would be a usable criterion for the completeness of the list. EdJohnston 20:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep — The show is notable, the list is organized in an acceptable way, it does however require a lead-in, a good strong paragraph to establish the notability would be good. Perfectly encyclopaedic, and perfectly manageable. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 12:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:LIST, in particular this article is informative and aids in navigation. Also, there are numerous online references which discuss Leo's death, establishing notability. - Peregrine Fisher 16:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dissenting comment - I must disagree here. Just because one of the deaths on this page is notable does not change the fact that the page as a whole is non-notable information. Most of the people here exist in one episode and many of them aren't even seen (e.g. the pilot who crashes into a mountain, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, the guy on the boat that gets caught in the hurricane). The only deaths on this page that are "significant" in any way (i.e. having dramatic plot-altering consequences) are Leo, Mrs. Landingham, and Abdul Shareef. Other than that, it is simply a list that one looks at and thinks, "Oh, cool." In other words, it is trivia only. The fact that the show is notable doesn't make the page notable. Otherwise, a well-organized "List of characters on The West Wing with brown hair and blue eyes" would be considered encyclopedic, which it clearly is not. The West Wing is not a show about people dying and there simply are not enough notable character deaths to merit keeping this page. --Hnsampat 19:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. ConDem^Talk 20:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Hnsampat - a subject's notability doesn't necessarily make a tertiary article notable enough; this information could possibly merged into List of characters on The West Wing. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 21:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete and Merge as per nom. I'm afraid this is an obvious one folks. This information can easily be included in List of characters on The West Wing and does not deserve its own article.--IRelayer 23:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment regarding merge I should note here that the deaths of major and recurring characters are already noted on the List of characters on The West Wing page. The rest of the characters on this page (e.g. the aforementioed pilot and boatsman, as well as the homeless veteran who freezes to death wearing Toby's coat) are insignificant beyond the single episodes in which they appear and their deaths don't deserve mention even on List of characters on The West Wing (since it's a page about major characters and significant recurring ones). Their deaths should really only be mentioned on the respective episode pages. --Hnsampat 23:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment citing precedent I just noticed this little archived AfD debate: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Deaths_in_Scream. It was decided that an article that lists all the people who die in the horror movie Scream ought to be deleted as "fancruft." Now, Scream is a movie about people dying. If a list of people dying in that movie was deemed nothing more than "fancruft", then surely a list of people dying on The West Wing has to go. --Hnsampat 03:17, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.--Vsion 04:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.