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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 06:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of the sources are "Lost in the Cloud", which appears to be a personal blog. The others are random listicles about "viral" sheet music that only mention Stump/Faerie's Aire in passing and point out how funny and impossible it is, along with YouTube videos of people "attempting" to play it and then meta-commentaries from said listicles on the same. Nothing in this article whatsoever constitutes a reliable source. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep per WP:ANYBIO #2, given that Stump composed what is likely the most prominent example of satirical sheet music of all time. I wish there was more sourcing, but it's better than the nominator makes out, with the Glendale Focus obit in particular providing SIGCOV. IAR I think it's a notable topic given that seemingly half of American high school music rehearsal rooms have Faerie's Aire on the wall and every music person I know has seen it. ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 20:53, 19 February 2022 (UTC)^{Modified 18:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC) to strike "weak"; see below.}[reply]

  I found some further coverage here:

  • Fee, Christopher R.; Webb, Jeffery B., eds. (2016). "Death Waltz". American Myths, Legends, and Tall Tales: An Encyclopedia of American Folklore. Santa Barbara, California: ABC-CLIO. pp. 297–298. ISBN 9781610695688.

  I don't think we could justify pages about both Stump and Faerie's Aire, but we have enough for one, and it makes sense to have it located at Stump given that he's the broader topic. ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 21:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @Sdkb: Obituaries are not significant coverage. Lots of people get obits, including my dad. That doesn't make them notable. Especially concerning is that I can't find the obit anywhere other than on the blog. Notability does not equal "everyone in high school music class has seen this". The "American Myths, Legends, and Tall Tales" coverage doesn't even amount to a full sentence and only name-drops Stump in reference to another composer. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Paid obituaries don't count; reported obituaries do. This one was written by the publisher of the Glendale Focus, with the only complication being that the publisher knew Stump (being unable to find a copy of the newspaper is immaterial unless you wish to dispute its veracity). If you'd prefer something completely independent, I just found and added this:

  • Gordon, Molly (16 July 1993). "Remove cattle from stage". The Berkshire Eagle. p. 7. Retrieved 19 February 2022.

  Regarding An Encyclopedia of American Folklore, I think you must've just read the first sentence—there's significantly more coverage of him and Faerie's Aire farther down. Given the new sourcing, I'm dropping "weak" from my !vote. ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 07:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The newspaper piece you added appears to be an editorial with a personally invested tone, which does not constitute WP:SIGCOV. It's just one random person, who may not even be a journalist, reminiscing on it. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:12, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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