The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no clear outcome, given the page-moves and other actions which go part of the way to addressing the nominators' concerns. If you think the newly-located article still should be discussed for deletion, feel free to renominate at your leisure. However, this debate yielded nothing close to consensus to delete due to the discussion being sidetracked and the 'boundaries' moving frequently. Daniel 05:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Florida Institute of Technology/College of Engineering (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Does not cite any notability and an indiscriminate list of information lacking any reason for being cited in an encyclopedia. There are no outside sources, everything is coming from the schools cite and the listing of departments is indiscrimate listing of info. Also breaks the rule on subpages, see #3 of Wikipedia:Subpages#Disallowed uses.
Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 07:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on...don't delete yet I'm working on it... lol give me some time. I'm only saving the page because Wikipedia keeps logging me out every time I finish a section and I click "Preview". I'm improving the structure of the Florida Institute of Technology page (WikiProject: Universities) by splitting the different pages off so that the main article does not overflow 32kb (It's already at 30kb). Please let me know if you still want to delete this page. Notability and some of the other kinks will be fixed tonight. Jameson L. Tai 07:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Moved to List of Florida Institute of Technology Colleges and Laboratories. Hopefully this will resolve the AfD request. Instead of mentioning each and individual college per article, the new article now lists all of the colleges and labs for Florida Institute of Technology, thus solving the Notability issues. Jameson L. Tai 11:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete still should be deleted. JJL 14:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Both the former article (FIT COE) and its current form (a split of FIT#Colleges) are valid splits of a university article. —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 17:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• I would like to merge this into the main article and delete the page, but we should respect the hang-on request above. Let's see where this goes. CRGreathouse (t | c) 18:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Interesting. Weak keep due to the radical recent changes. CRGreathouse (t | c) 02:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Hold Your Horses...well I had to vary the responses a little bit... Anyways, I had a power outage today, therefore slowing down my progress (too bad... I lost three college sections that way, so I gotta start over). But my response is still Keep.
  • Please read the Academics section of Florida Institute of Technology. That section has been labeled a stub for at least a month (maybe a many more months than that...but I digress), while I'm trying to expand this section, I noticed that the main Florida Institute of Technology article was already approaching 30kb, (note the Wiki guideline about keeping articles under 32kb), so I decided to split the article into the College of Engineering article, hoping that by splitting into individual college pages, this displaced academics section wouldn't end with the same fate as the main article...filling to 32kb any time soon.
  • However, after the AfD was placed to the COE article, a suggestion was made to my Talk page to just continue modeling MIT's "List of MIT departments and laboratories" article to replace this COE article. This was why I decided to move out of the Florida Institute of Technology namespace and created this new article.
  • I hope everyone realizes that they are now reading a completely new article, and the page isn't just about Florida Tech's College of Engineering. It is now an article for every single college, its respective departments, and its respective facilities/laboratories.
  • It should no longer have Notability issues and it should no longer be in AfD status (in fact I was about to remove the AfD until I saw these comments.)
  • If you have any suggestions as to how to strengthen this new article so that it will survive this AfD, please send me a message on my talk page. (And those of you who feel there are NPOV issues... we'll deal with that on my talk page as well. There's no COI here...just to clarify things a little bit.)
• Thanks in advance in your feedback and I hope this article survives. Meanwhile, I'll continue backtracking what I typed before I lost everything in that stupid power outage. Jameson L. Tai 20:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep- per above changes and reasoning. cheers.JJJ999 21:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• What Now? It's been over 48 hours since the last post, and the vote comes out to 2 keeps, 1 weak keep, and 2 deletes... I'll leave my vote out so it's "unbiased"... does it mean the article's staying up? The red AfD banner is an eyesore... hehe Jameson L. Tai 00:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Usually the AfD will stay up for five days, then a sysop will decide whether to delete or keep. Also, your vote counts, it is usually one of the most important since you are the main contributor of the article.
Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 00:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops... ok then... Keep :-) haha I guess I do count then. Does that mean 3.5 vs 2? :D Jameson L. Tai 08:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep due to changes. Captain Infinity 22:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Please Note that the original deletion tag was on the page listed above, which is now a redirect to the current page. The editor that made this redirect then placed the original deletion tag on this new article for some reason. This debate is not for the new redirected article, but for the original article. The original article still should be deleted as it still breaks the rule on subpages, see #3 of Wikipedia:Subpages#Disallowed uses and it is highly unlikely that someone would write in that exact title so the redirect is not needed.
  Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 00:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Important Note This VfD should possibly be readdressed for simply the redirect page, and the main article probably doesn't need a VfD anymore. I have moved the VfD back to its original article and suggested that a VfD be added if it is felt the new article still has issues. Carson 12:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.