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The result was Redirect to Fisher Athletic F.C.. Eluchil404 (talk) 00:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:ATHLETE as this is not at a professional level; may also be covered by WP:ONEVENT. Whilst a full time appointment would probably make Powell notable as the first female manager of a senior level men's football club in England, despite not otherwise covering WP:ATHLETE. As well as this, the accuracy of the reports could be questioned: it is under a rather tortuous definition that allows us to describe her as 'first female manager' anyway: at what level of football do we stop counting; and was her position actually manager or was this a PR descritpion? Anyway, don't think this deserves an article. Pretty Green (talk) 11:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment her claim to be the first female manager is debatable anyway - this says that Droylsden F.C. appointed two female co-managers for one match as some form of protest nine years earlier..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. As insignificant as her reign was, being the first woman to (solely?) manage an English football team is notable in itself. WP:BLP1E specifically states that if a person is not notable, her name should redirect to the event article. I somewhat doubt that creating First woman to manage an English men's football team or Fisher Athletic vs Eastleigh (2008–09) would be helpful. WFCforLife (talk) 02:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, I'd even question whether she can claim to have solely managed the team as, from what I recall seeing in The Non-League Paper at the time, the club's "actual" manager, Dave Mehmet, was in the technical area with her during the game..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, there is a question here of whether this constitutes management - could she have hired a player for example? However, I left this out of the nomination because it brings up fairly complex issues - was she a manager simply because of the common media description, or do we follow some other technical definition (into which she probably wouldn't fit)? --Pretty Green (talk) 12:31, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Media reports make it clear that what she got in exchange for her five hundred quid was the chance to pick the team for one match and "manage" them in the sense of shouting tactics from the sidelines, she certainly wasn't given the power to sign players or make any significant decisions -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Fisher Athletic F.C. where her 15 minutes is adequately covered. Maybe if her tenure was permanent and maybe if she managed a professional team then maybe she would pass WP:ONEEVENT and WP:TEMP. Next we will have the first permanent female manager, then we will have the first female manager of a professional league team, then we will have the first permanent female manager of a professional league team (finally one that at least passes ATHLETE).... then we will have the first one to manage a Welsh team, then the first to manage a French team....--ClubOranje^T 08:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • A temporary manager of a professional league team would pass WP:ATHLETE, although ATHLETE is about as useful a guide as the direction my toenails point in. I think she's more notable than a player whose sole professional appearance came as a 91st minute substitute in the paint pot. WFCforLife (talk) 11:55, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Fisher Athletic F.C.: The main Fisher Athletic article has a paragraph containing all the details about this that are ever likely to be published, and there is little chance of any more sources providing enough information on Donna Powell for her article to be expanded beyond a rather vague stub. What is there at the moment adds nothing beyond what is already in the Fisher Athletic article. — Gasheadsteve ^{Talk to me} 09:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Fisher Athletic F.C. as per Gasheadsteve's excellent logic -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per gasheadsteve. My opinion was that she warranted coverage on wikipedia- that's clearly the best way. WFCforLife (talk) 16:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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