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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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At present, the article is supported by various links to the magazine's website (not independent), a soft soap WP:INTERVIEW with the magazine's founder in the NYT (primary), and a passing one-word mention in Pitchfork (insubstantial). I have looked for better sourcing, but found nothing but passing mentions and affiliated sources. I can't see how this passes WP:GNG, or WP:NCORP which would probably apply since it's a commercial product; there's also WP:NMAGAZINE, which is only an essay, but I can't see this passing that either based on what I can find. GirthSummit _(blether) 14:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete, generally per nom. I see an interview in the NYT as a promising start—after all, the NYT doesn't go around publishing interviews with just anyone—but the interview is not squarely focused on the magazine, and there don't appear to be other good sources available. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:28, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, at first I thought the interview would be a good source, but as you say it's not really focussed on the magazine, and almost all of the content about the magazine is coming directly out of the mouth of its founder, meaning that it's a primary source for our purposes. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete The magazine is cited in104 articles. That does not establish that the magazine is notable, but perhaps suggests that an article on this subject might be useful. In reviewing for NPP, I have always found citations to CM slightly suspicious, due to their lack of criticality and analysis. This is not a publication that has significant influence in the art world like, for example, Artforum or Art in America. For a clue: look at who's advertising there. Vexations (talk) 19:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi Vexations, I agree totally that Cultured is not a publication like Artforum or Art in America that wields significant critical influence on the art world, but would argue that neither the magazine itself nor this page make that claim. In the pages, infobox the publication's category is listed as "culture." The two quotations from Forbes Magazine and the New York Post's Page Six that describe Cultured both foreground the outfit's multidisciplinary orientation. In response to your comment, I have also rephrased the first sentence in the page's lead and the sentence that introduces the list of the magazine's past cover stars to hopefully clarify and emphasize the publication's broad interest in and understanding of culture. While the magazine is obviously no Artforum, or October for that matter, and seems to strive far more to be accessible than it does to be academic, it appears to me at least in the same league as publications like Garage Magazine, Another Magazine, Dazed Magazine, Love Magazine, and Surface Magazine, many of which have included all of the same individuals on their own covers. Also, I looked quite extensively for where I could find a list of Cultured's advertisers to no avail, and was wondering if it wasn't too much trouble if you could possibly forward where you tracked that info down to as I would love conduct a similar comparison, but look instead to more analogous publications that are aiming to cultivate a parallel image and position to Cultured, like those I mentioned above. Homogestalt (talk) 20:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Homogestalt, I think the point I was trying to make is that sometimes, even tough sources are scarce, a subject can be notable because it has significant impact on its field that is evidenced by our use as a source. I don't see that being the case for Cultured. So it all comes down to lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. The advertisers mostly just illustrative of the fact the Cultured is not an influential art magazine. Compare textezurkunst.com, who today advertise apexart, art cologne, and gegenwarten (clearly serious) to cultured.com, who advertise B&B Italia (nice furniture, I used to own one, but not quite the same category). Advertisers are mentioned in [1] by Former Contributor to Forbes, Patrick Hanlon: "Her publication Cultured, for example, has 24 spreads of advertising from brands including Cartier, Versace, Loro Piana, Luminaire as well as local furniture designers, retail shops and real estate, before we even get to the editorial masthead. The back cover is a Gucci ad." Please note that we consider Forbes contributors generally unreliable, per WP:FORBESCON. Vexations (talk) 19:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I tried to search for more sources, and found nothing. Bearian (talk) 23:21, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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