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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 13:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Caspar von Winterfeldt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

A minor film executive--and 'executive' may be stretching things--with much name-dropping and little suggested notability, nor sources testifying to same, apparently self-created (by Casparvw (talk · contribs). A prod tag was added, but was removed by the article creator, with the only changes being the removal of the list of celebrities the subject has 'worked with' and the addition of a press release and a SEC form. CalendarWatcher (talk) 14:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No indication of notability. Edward321 (talk) 14:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I can find no notable sources outside individual credits and minor film-industry sites. ; Ddawkins73 (talk) 14:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fails WP:BIO. The whole thing is written to imply notability when there is none to be had. §FreeRangeFrog 23:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not DeleteThank you for the heads-up regarding the process of deletion. I have checked out a number of the peers who have contributed to the Wikipedia community and can see no more "notability" than illustrated here. Caspar von Winterfeldt has produced several films which have themselves won awards and achievements which can all be sourced at the respected IMDB website. For industry buffs, he is also included in the 'Studio System' and has been listed in numerous websites pertaining to filmmakers. 'PLAYED' which Caspar von Winterfeldt produced has been released in many different languages and countries around the world and was premiered at the Cannes Film Festival in 2006. The film starred Val Kilmer, Gabriel Byrne, Vinnie Jones and a host of other notable talent all of whom Caspar, as the producer of the film, hired and 'worked' with. Wikipedia is attempting to compile an encyclopedia of members of the film and acting community under the Wikiproject: Actors and Filmmakers. How is it possible that this then cannot include individuals like Caspar von Winterfeldt who has not only acted in films alongside notable talent but also produced them and subsequently won awards with them, such as the Washington DC Best Picture audience award for 'Raw Footage' or the Hollywood film festival Best Picture award for 'Played' or the Palm Springs Best Picture award for 'Gypsies Tramps and Thieves'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.136.156.99 (talk) 05:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ Only contribution. - Ddawkins73 (talk) 12:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. It's not really useful to compare yourself to other people that have Wikipedia articles about them. There are many others that probably shouldn't be here, but we deal with deletion one article at a time, and here we are discussing your article. If anyone (including you) wants to nominate for deletion those peers that have no more notability then we will discuss those separately. What would be needed to keep your article are references to publications such as newspapers and magazines that have written about you - not simply listings in directories such as IMDb and AMG. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment.I wasn't comparing myself to my peers nor putting in question their notabilty. Caspar von Winterfeldt has created artistic and cinemartic products which have entertained the public at large worldwide. This is verifiable. The first award his films won was the young filmmakers of the year award presented by Esquire Magazine under its Celluloid Style Film Prize in 2004, for his film 200x1 directed by Eva Husson. This is verifiable - http://www.afi.com/Docs/about/annualreport/AFI_AR_04.pdf. If his work as a producer is worthy of inclusion (Played) in the Wikipedia film archives then I argue an entry regarding the individual who was behind the project and produced the project should be included also and deemed notable: If you haven't seen the film here is a trailer.... http://www.spill.com/Movie-Reviews/MovieReview.aspx?Name=Played&VideoId=391814. Perhaps this discussion will also help to shift the focus back on producers, who support and seek to finance the visions of directors and strive to produce entertainment which will satisfy an audience. When things go right, often the director or the actors are given the spotlight. However, there is a reason the producer picks up the Best Picture award at the Oscars, and why it is the last award given. If this page is deleted, then it is done so without the interest of the public at heart. For it is they who research your pages to discover information and will potentially be stumped to learn more about an individual that has created something that interests them. The information on the Caspar von Winterfeldt page has been verified. It is concise and informative. Also, to suggest that IMDB is a mere directory, suggests little knowledge of the industry which relies on the information on that website as much as researchers may rely on Wikipedia. This is why when you google any notable individual or project related to film, the first entry will almost always refer you to IMDB. It is a premiere information source and contributions to the site are strictly controlled. Perhaps this is also why 95% of all notable biographies relating to the cinematic arts uses it as a reference in this encyclopedia. I am trying to contribute to the encyclopedia by starting with what I know best and branching out, this is why I have focused on this article and the article on Played and had hoped to contribute much more in the future on historical figures that directly come from my family such as my great grandfather Walter Cramer who was hung for his involvement in Operation Valkyrie, my great grandfather Detlof von Winterfeldt who signed the Armistice with Germany to end WW1 and my ancestor Hans Karl von Winterfeldt who was Frederick II's favorite general.....and much more that I wanted to research and bring to this website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casparvw (talk • contribs) 06:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the invite to watch trailers is not appropriate. Lots of other places to advertise.

Secondly, having a conflict of interest, it's best if you don't write your own entry. If you're notable enough, someone will do it independently.

Thirdly, that's a very long post. "I have added verified independent sources to the article" would be more appropriate.

Fourthly, IMDB is a notable directory, but specific to the industry, and being in it doesn't make you generally notable of itself.

Importantly, Wikipedia has a set of guidelines as to what constitutes notability. To put it crudely, if you're in the independent news i.e CNN, BBC, etc you have a much better chance of being in the encyclopedia.

Note - Vinny Jones, Val Kilmer and your Great Grandfather do not make you notable.

Please add sources to the article, maybe let us know what they are, and that's it. Try not to special plead. Thanks. - Ddawkins73 (talk) 12:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Patent self-promotion. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 07:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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