Actually, the Raptor in the beginning is not killed, they are zapping her with tazers. If you remember, he is yelling "shoot her" and there is only one female raptor on the complex, the one that killed most of the pride. It is that raptor that killed the gatekeeper and later Robert Muldoon, the one yelling "shoot her". Just because their were shots being fired does not mean that they actually hit the raptor. Remember, Grant fired the shotgun at the raptor coming through the window, if he could miss then so could their others. Plus, they had to fire through the cage. There is no clear cut source that says that one was killed. Especially since he refers to the raptor as a "her" and there is only 1 female raptor.
Oh, and since you want to call the scene for me, you should note that it does not fade to Gennero but it dissolves to Gennero. The difference is the fadding involves going to black or coming out of black. When you dissolve you are overlapping scenes, which indicates a shorter amount of time has passed, then say if you were to fade-out to black and then fade-in from black. This way when you make this argument to someone else you can atleast use the correct transitional shots.
Also, let's make this clear, I am not, by any means, calling you wrong. What I am saying is that for the purposes of this website there is not enough information to suggest that it is fact and can be used as fact in this encyclopedia. For all extensive purposes I know where you are coming from and when I first saw the movie I thought that same thing. But when you watch it again and again and see Robert's mentality toward that particular "big one", his reaction to Jophery's death, the way they cut between his eyes and her eyes, the inconclusive "death" by off camera firing...it makes one believe that "the big one" is the one from the opening sequence. You have to take a lot more information in to be able to understand that. Why do it off camera, why not atleast show the men with the guns running up to the crate and sticking the guns in. That would without a doubt solidify the fact that it was killed. Instead, you get off screen gun shots that do not determine anything. They could be firing in the air, they could be firing at Jophery. Did you ever think that they were shooting Jophery because he was basically suffering and they wanted to end his misery and the thump was her dropping his dead body? Alan Grant made it a point to show that raptors do start eating you alive. Maybe to her a dead body isn't worth the effort. Some animals are not scavengers and prefer to eat their prey while it is still alive. Bignole 22:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I understand completely. It's something that really makes no never mind because it isn't an important notoriety. I can see where the note is so contraversial that it probably does not qualify to be in the page and can be remove, and such I agree if you wish to remove it. As for Hammond's reaction to Arnold because of the death of the raptor in the beginning. It seems like a stretch to assume that he would become enraged almost at the thought of the lycene contingency because of having to kill one dinosaur earlier. You don't really go around thinking to yourself that because you had to put one down earlier you don't want to have to put all of them down because they are now running rampid and killing people. I think he didn't want to put the contingency into effect because they are his babies and who wants to kill their babies, and when you have his money you can say what gets killed and what doesn't. But, the same argument can be made that says that Hammond was enraged by that though because it was Robert that made the suggestion and it was Robert that ordered the female to be shot in the opening. I think that there are too many indeterminable factors to be able to destinguished what outcome is indeed correct. Bignole 00:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
So, I'm sitting down with a nice bowl of popcorn to rewatch Jurassic Park in it's entirety (cause all the talk made me want to watch it) and I think you may want to get your hearing checked. I don't know what you heard but there is no *thump* in the scene. He yells "shoot her" and you hear them start firing and he continues to yell "shoot her" then, where you said the raptor makes a sound..that is the orchestra making a *whoosh* (excuse my poor verbalization of sounds) sound to signify him loosing Jophery's hand. The sound you think is the raptor's is actually associated with the slipping of Robert's grip. That isn't a raptor groan and there definitely isn't a thump anywhere in there. Just thought I would let you know, since I watching it as you suggested. I still agree that it much too speculatory to decide if they were firing at her or in the air to have it included in the article. Bignole 05:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I watched it twice and turned sound way up, and I have a home theater system, and the sound you call a growl, cause I know what you are refering to, really isn't a growl but I can see how you can assume that cause it's really low key but if you listen it's part of the ochestra and it place about a second before Jophery's hand slips through Roberts. If that was a death groan then why would his hand continue to get pulled away, and as for the thump..the gunshots continue until the scene is completely dissolved there is never a thump just continuous firing. But here is something to note. When Robert yells "work her back" you should note that all the men with prods surround the cage...how to you plan to work her back if you are prodding her from behind? lol. What is your Jurassic Park site? -- I finally finished the movie and I see where the grunt from the beginning is at the end when she comes from under the sheet. I correct that because it did come from her and not the orchestra but that was still a grunt of excitement and not of pain. Why ellicit the same sound when you are dying that you make when you see something you are about to kill? Since that is the same noise you could infer that it's the same raptor, because they make the same grunt when attacking. Bignole 15:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
My edit was not meant to denigrate your efforts to establish canonicity of Jurassic Park materials. The problem is that Wikipedia does not allow original research. Wikipedia is a compilation of information that is already published or recorded by other primary and secondary sources ("reliable sources" in the Wikipedia vernacular), and those sources must have a reputation in the world at large (not just among fans of the publication or website). Determination of what constitutes a reliable source can be contentious, but one principle is fairly clear: editors cannot use their own outside writings as sources unless they themselves (or their work) meet the notability requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia, and recent events have strengthened the onus against Wikipedia:Autobiography writing about one's own work. But even if you just got this material from a Jurassic Park fan website, it would probably not qualify for inclusion in a Wikipedia article. However, if you disagree, you are welcome to bring this up on the article's talk page. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
The opening statement of Wikipedia:Verifiability is:
Please read this critical policy page for an explanation of why this must be. In short, Wikipedia editors are not in (and aren't expected to be in) a position to confirm the truth of its sources, which is why the Foundation insists on using reputable published material only for sourcing. Wikipedia has no system to determine the accuracy, depth, or objectivity of your (or anyone else's) website and research. It uses the marketplace of ideas, in which writers must convince respected publishers to vouch for their material, to winnow out the vast number of websites, vanity presses, and other means that humanity has these days for communicating individual thoughts and opinions. Again, this is not a judgment of the accuracy or utility of any particular source; it's just a necessary threshhold to set to avoid having Wikipedia turn into a global blog. I hope this helps explain the rationale. I really do recommend you read these policy pages; many thousands of people-years have gone into forming them. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:32, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
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