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[edit]Hi. I am concerned that an editing account called "Recordstoresay" editing the Record Store Day article looks very much like a conflict of interest, which is heavily discouraged by Wikipedia. I think that you should read the conflict of interest guidelines before making any further edits to this page. In addition, I reccommend reading Wikipedia:Tutorial/Citing sources to learn how to correctly cite sources in an article. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your concern. Record Store Day is an open source event and no one is paid a salary to run it, and no one gets paid any money from the sales of Record Store Day products or promotions. It is meant to be a celebration of record stores and this wiki page is meant to give a detailed account of it's activities. Please stop removing important information about the day from this page and replacing it with factually incorrect information. - Recordstoreday
- Conflict of interest does not require money to change hands. Wikipedia articles are not for the promotion of any events. All the information I have added is accompanied by a citation, as required by Wikipedia. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Please stop vandalizing this wiki page. I gave citations proving that RSD is not in the pockets of major labels. You keep removing this information and that is wrong. Please stop. I am also updating the page to include information on our official films and participation by various Ambassadors. This is important and accurate information. RSD is in the middle of working with the cities of Paris and New York City on a healing event that brings the two communities together on Record Store Day. City officials are looking at this wiki page and the information needs to be accurate. I realize that you have an axe of some kind to grind. I am sorry about that but we are trying to help people and do good work. Please put aside getting your jollies by denigrating what we do. If you are successful, all you have accomplished is hurting people who are trying to do something good.
- Wikipedia is not here to promote (or denigrate) your event. I have tried to ensure that the page contains both praise in criticism in equal measure. You do not own this article - see WP:OWN. As you are not able to accept that you have a conflict of interest I will place a notice at WP:COIN to let the Wikipedia community decide. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 16:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
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((unblock|Your reason here)) below, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Randykitty (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)I'm not trying to promote anything. I'm simply trying provide accurate information when someone else edits out this important information and replaces it with biased negative remarks. And I am the one blocked? This is why Wiki's reputation has gone down over the years. It's become a place for hater's to flame others and you condone it. I am out. Done. I gave our Wiki page to the officials of the French Embassy and the City of New York thinking it would be a good place to get accurate information. Stupid me. It won't happen again. Wikipedia has lost its moral compass and ability to interact with human beings.
And one more comment before I check out forever. RSD's Ambassador for 2015 was the Foo Fighters's Dave Grohl. Why did you remove this? He actually came to his hometown record store on RSD to celebrate and show support for independently owned record stores. In 2015 RSD was actually the biggest sales day for vinyl in history? Why did you remove this? The official film for RSD 2014 was Metallica's Robert Trujillo's documentary film "Jaco" and it came out on RSD's Black Friday in 2015. Why did you remove this? All of these edits, and so many others, are wrong on so many levels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recordstoreday (talk • contribs) 17:46, 19 January 2016
- I'm sorry that you feel you are not able to edit Wikipedia within its guidelines. You may have thought that the negative remarks I included were biased, but they were genuine opinions published in decent sources. The sources were directly cited. RSD has been both praised and criticised, it would be biased not to include both sides. Surely that is a clear indication of the possession of a moral compass? Though you have provided instances where you think information is missing it would be helpful if you could indicate what information you think is wrong. A previous edit from this account claims to be one of th organisers of RSD, so I think it is untrue to say that you are not tying to promote anything. If you wish to give information to the French Embassy and the City of New York surely the best place would be RSD's own website? That is a site that you own, and on which you can control the narrative. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, like Phillip Roth, I have access to the facts because, like Phillip, I live and breathe it.
I already provided links/verification in the updates I tried to make. You undid all of them. Why? Were they untrue? No, they were factual and presented information on our Ambassadors, our films, and other important information. For example, RSD has been criticized for being in the pockets of major labels. This is complete baloney and last year a trade organization called A2IM (representing the vast majority of all independently owned labels in the USA) actually awarded us their coveted "Libby Award" for being the best ally of independently owned labels. I cited this and provided a link. You took it down. Why? You are purposely trying to damage our reputation by omitting positive things we are doing and, instead, citing criticisms made by a website who've wrote negative things about us for click-bait. Can you not tell the difference? In addition, you've edited out all of the great things we did in 2015, ie breaking all previous records for sales of vinyl on Record Store Day. This is important information. Also, having arguably one of the most important musicians of our time (Dave Grohl) be our Ambassador in 2015 and throwing a concert in his childhood record store says a lot about who we are. But you took down this information too. Why? Why are you purposely omitting important information? And, while I have your attention. Why are you linking our Wiki page to Cassette Day? They have nothing to do with Record Store Day and have nothing in common with our goals or structure. Please remove this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recordstoreday (talk • contribs) 19:19, 19 January 2016
- I did undo some referenced info, but that was an attempt to get back to a more neutral state before re-adding info where appropriate. I think that you have not read the edits I have made. The page does not say that RSD is "in the pockets of major labels", but that there are accusations that major labels have hijacked the event. You might not like the criticism reported in The Quietus and Diffuser, but they are respected sites not clickbait generators. I have already reinstated the AAIM award, and this leaves us with reasonably balanced coverage. I am not trying to damage, nor puff up, any reputation - merely trying to ensure that the article represents a neutral point of view. Unfortunately, your edits have not adhered to NPOV, making claims about "relaunching the vinyl business" and being " credited with the opening of record stores around the world" which are simply not backed up by the sources you provide. I suspect that RSD has had a role in the recent "vinyl revival", but to claim it as a leader, a follower, or somewhere in between is not acceptable on Wikipedia without a citation from a reliable source. These sources may well exist, but they must be shown.
- This is the version of the page that you claimed was "the accurate version of the wiki page. I see no mention of any records being broken, nor any mention of Dave Grohl.
- Whilst there may be no official affiliation between Record Store Day and Cassette Store Day, from an encyclopaedia perspective they are similar and related topics. The article does not claim an official link. RSD (almost certainly) inspired CSD in some way, so this is a logical connection. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 09:27, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
I understand. You realize that both Quietus and Diffuser could've contacted RSD to ask questions like "does RSD have a no return policy?" The answer would be that RSD doesn't manufacture, sell or make any money off of the releases made so it would be impossible for us to have a "no returns policy." In fact ALL VINYL is sold 365 days a year as non returnable whether it is sold by an independent or a major label. These are all facts, but why let them get in the way when you can simply smear our organization with links to articles that are obviously inflammatory. And regarding RSD's impact. Here is a link showing the impact of RSD's launch in 2008. Look at the green chart. http://www.billboard.com/articles/1558804/record-store-day-just-how-big-is-the-big-vinyl-resurgence When RSD launches vinyl sales lurch 28% and then skyrocket from there. Would you consider putting some text saying something neutral like "There is evidence of RSD having significant impact on the vinyl business." Look, I don't care that we relaunched the vinyl business but it is a fact. We gave labels (especially the indies) the springboard to make millions on one day, and then use this money to reinvest in more vinyl. This happened, and it was the right thing tod, and the numbers show it. As far as the criticism levied by Owl City and reported by Diffuser. That was clearly a marketing campaign to draw attention to the label's unknown band. Afterall if RSD is so evil why did Owl City launch their record on... wait for it... Why Owl City chose to release the band's recond on none other than Record Store Day itself. I mean, come on, this is so obviously a marketing ploy. If Record Store Day was so evil why would the label participate in it? This is dumb. And if Record Store Day were clogging the vinyl factories wouldn't be easy for Quietus and/or Diffuser to call an actual vinyl manufacturer to ask if this is true? It's easy and I actually did and they said RSD isn't a problem. But why let journalism get in the way when you can put an inflammatory headline on a piece to get people to read it. As far as the link to Cassette Day. You are mistaken. Cassette Day is run by a marketing company and it's for profit. RSD is neither. If you want to place a similar type of organization's link, a better choice would be Book Store Day, even though, like Cassette Day, it is also run by a marketing company. There really isn't another organization, that I am aware of, like us. Politics aside, we are more like Occupy Wallstreet in that there is no leader, no one makes money off it, no one claims it as their own. It exists because the community wants it to. I ask again, please remove the link to Cassette Day. It's not appropriate.
- I'm afraid that you haven't grasped how Wikipedia works. Information has to be backed up by a third party source and you are, in this instance, a first party. The data shown in the Billboard article does indeed show large increases in the sale of vinyl in the US, but the only part of the article that says that RSD is directly responsible for this is a quote from RSD's own Michael Kurtz. As I said before, it is indeed likely that RSD has contributed to the "vinyl revival" of recent years, but this needs to be backed up by an independent source. Just saying something is a fact doesn't make it so - Rough Trade is probably the best known independent record shop in the UK and it has taken stock on a sale-or-return basis (both CDs and vinyl) for years and years, up to the present day. Maybe the Owl City thing is a marketing ploy, but it's not discussed in the article. All that is mentioned is that there has been criticism. Are you saying that there is no legitimate criticism of RSD and so none should be mentioned on the article? Regarding delays in manufacture, I could easily speak to a handful of indie label owners who I know would tell me that RSD has led to pressing of their standard releases to be delayed, and that this is the reason that their pressers have given. All of this trading of anecdotal evidence is irrelevant without sourced information. The link to Cassette Store Day is totally legitimate as no formal link is implied. Though the structure of the organising body is different, it is an article about a day intended for the promotion of a pre-recorded music format. If it is not in the "see also" section, then somewhere in the article it should note that a consequence of RSD was the inspiration to start CSD. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I understand perfectly how Wiki works. You are biased and that is clear in your remarks in that you say that you have spoken to labels who have said we negatively impacted them. You could speak with many others who would tell you that this isn't true. and the fact that the vast majority of indie labels themselves said we are the best ally and gave us an award because of it doesn't matter to you. Why is that? No, you think that you are right and hundreds of independent labels are wrong? Regarding the quote from me, I made the quote based on the REAL numbers that are included in the chart in the article itself. Can you not see the connection? When we started RSD there was almost zero sales of new vinyl happening in record stores. That is a fact. You ignore it because you want to smear us. Regarding Rough Trade taking returns. This is the first I've ever heard of that. I know Martin Mills (one of the owners of Rough Trade) and I will ask him if this is true. But, even if it were true, what does Rough Trade have to do with Record Store Day, other than being a couple of locations out of over 2000 stores that participate around the world? RSD doesn't control or have any influence on what Rough Trade does, or for that matter what the labels do, or what distribution does. This returns comment is utter nonsense and doesn't back up your criticism. Now, there are legitimate criticism to make against RSD. For example, we admit that we have no control over customers who flip their RSD purchases on ebay after they buy them. But even in this area, the back story is that we asked ebay to take down bogus listings by people who don't even have the product but they will not do it. And regarding Cassette Store Day, your logic for keeping it is because there is no "formal link"? That's just downright weird. But I think we both know what you are doing. Cassette Store Day is a marketing ploy and by listing it on the RSD page you are implying that RSD is a marketing ploy too. It is clear to me that what you are doing is expressing a personal axe that you have to grind against RSD. I know it. And you know it. I had a meeting with one of the Clash's ex-managers today (we're working on a possible art gallery event to help record stores) and I explained to him what I'm going through with you and he shook his head and said "That's why I never look to see what Wikipedia is saying about me or my bands. I don't want to know." So, now it is my turn to critize you... What you are doing is denigrating Wiki. You are taking your personal feelings and projecting them on a worthy project to make false connections and substantiate rumors that have clearly been demonstrated to be not true. This is why Wiki has lost it's luster and that's too bad. It could be so much more if only people like you understood that it's one thing to include criticisms but quite another to allow the facts that refute the criticisms to be included on a wiki page.
- OK. Still no third party evidence (even though there's a reasonable chance that it exists) and now you're resorting to ad hominem attacks. This is pointless. See ya. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh sure the are literally hundreds of on line articles about the positive impact of RSD. Do you want me to send links to you? It would take a bit of work but I think I can literally send a 100 or more. Would you use any of them if I did? Regardless, I thought about this some more and I think I understand what is happening here. You are writing RSD's description from a UK point of view, where most, if not all, negative comments you cite come from, and I am writing you from the perspective of RSD in the USA (where the vast majority of RSD events and products are made). Because RSD is an open source event, there are big differences between countries. In fact, in France there is almost zero coordination with any of the majors as they don't even sell to the indie stores anymore. Same in Holland, which is totally different than Germany, which is completely different than Japan. I can't say for certainty what is happening in the UK but it is disingenuous to present what is happening there as if it reflects on RSD overall. It's actually a pretty small percentage. And your UK viewpoint also explains Cassette Store Day, where I believe it is celebrated in the UK, unlike the USA where it's barely a blip on the screen; or in France, Germany or Japan where no one celebrates it. Anyway, if you want your criticisms about the possible impact on vinyl manufacturing to be accurate you should indicate that these criticisms are for RSD in the UK.
Please put in your own words the impact of RSD on vinyl and add this link: http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6851619/bbc-music-partners-with-uk-record-store-day
Thanks.