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@Boneohimself: @Elgato97: please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Veuveclicquot1
Original Report of Meat Puppetry (From SPI)
Elgato97 removes it first: [2] Boneohimself removes it three times: [3] [4] [5] then in Talk page discussion Millandhouse chimes in: [6] (Statement supporting removal of tag, statements that a cohort has been required to overcome an individual editor, statement canvassing for this to continue.) Boneohimself replies: [7] (Statement providing support.) ...
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RobertHalls7 Original text
Note: For years at the article we've also had a longterm user who self-disclosed as a member of the organization, and stood up for its reputation. They happen to have had a record of sock-puppetry and sanctions elsewhere. But they participated in content disagreements that - no matter how heated - helped us reach consensus and improved the article. For some reason I doubt they're connected, but I cannot be certain. Since February, they have at times seen eye-to-eye with some of the new arrivals about content, and have also edited to remove content that could be problematic for the organization. Two diffs at least show a commonality of purpose between this longterm user and one of the new users. I can file them if you think it's important. Many thanks, Roberthall7 (talk) 20:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Kashmiri has identified OWN [54] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberthall7 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
The above statement is made by RobertHall7 on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Veuveclicquot1 and claimed as evidence of my wrongdoing.
What happened?
Millandhouse33 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
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My Talk page above is now updated, above, with a proper account of what happened, showing the errors in RobertHall7's account. Hoping to get some engagement now. This decision was made on behavior, not technical details, the descriptions of the behavior on the report were wrong. Hoping to get some feedback from somebody before progressing. This was a bad faith complaint made by two users who didn't want me editing pages. It was conducted without my knowledge so I was not able to make my case during the investigation. User RobetHall7 along with Kashmiri have made complaints in bad faith because they did not want me editing a page or scrutinizing my edits. My edits were in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines their was not, my summary of the discussion with RobertHall7 can be seen here and the discussion with Kashmiri here RobertHall has many times tried to have me banned to silence my voice as shown in the link prior. In both cases, the talk pages will show that I was insisting content be sourced and the two complainants wanted to write there own opinion. It is clear on both talk pages for any party to see. When this investigation was restarted on 14th May, by RobertHall7 & Kashmiri I was not notified, I received no notification until I was banned and therefore excluded from representing myself in the discussion. Only the accusers were heard. The reason given on the investigation by is @Ivanvector: "I have blocked Millandhouse33 and Boneohimself, based partly on the CU result, on our discussion here, and their continued coordinated advocacy for the school. It's edging on meatpuppetry, but I'm mostly unimpressed that the obviously COI editors have ignored administrators' warnings to not edit the article directly. Because of that I have not tagged the accounts." . This cites advocacy, the discussion on the investigation page, which I was not made aware of,but mostly COI. He says it's "It's edging on meatpuppetry", I deny that, but none the less, edging on a violation is not a violation. The guidelines clearly say "Sockpuppet inquiry pages are only about account and IP misuse—nothing else. If the evidence is not there, then the case will be closed without any adverse finding of any kind." . This decision was not based on IP misuse, but advocacy, COI, etc as stated by @Ivanvector:. Please correct me if I am wrong. Millandhouse33 (talk) 06:33, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I'm sorry, but I cannot unblock you at this time. 1) Attacking/blaming others never, ever,ever makes for a successful block appeal. 2) You are blocked for sock puppetry/meat puppetry. Contrary to your assertions, multiple SPI reviewers have looked at the events surrounding your block from a number of different ways. Your claim of malfeasance falls flat. 3) You were blocked and unblocked on or about Feb 2, 2019. Did you not admit socking there? Were you not argumentative about a WP:conflict of interest? You were told "I have gone to bat for you here, to encourage your input despite your rough start. But I am a little alarmed that you seem to think you can impose changes to the article after allowing other people “the option of reviewing” them. Please understand, if you go ahead and change the article against consensus, the consequences for you will not be good. The unblocking administrator cited my "trust" in you; don't let that trust turn out to be unfounded
". IMO, you have not heeded that advice. 4) As this is a WP:SOCK block, please review the pertinent sections of the WP:GAB. Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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@Dlohcierekim: Thank you, your reply provides some much needed feedback. Can I ask for some further explaination on your 4 points. 1) accepted 100%. 2) Is the reson for this ban that Myself, BoneoHimself and Egato repeteadly colluded to take the page in a specific direction, or is is somthing else? 3) I did get banned for sock in Feb, I was within a few days of me joining wikipedia, I did not know any better & accepted full responisbility. It has not happened since. I was initially argumentative with MelanieN, but I quickly realised my error, made up and have followed her instruction on concensus ever since. (you'll notice I'm very active on thie talk page for this reason). We were both editing the page in parrelel quite happily for some time and her comments on the investigation were in my favor. I accept responsibily for both these things, but they have not happened since, are my early transgressions a factor? 4) Thanks. Millandhouse33 (talk) 22:15, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
are my early transgressions a factor?would best be answered by @Ivanvector:. I don't think so, but I don't want to answer incorrectly. Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:07, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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I would once more like to appeal this ban. 1) first claim of behavioral meat puppetry-See comments from clerk and admin. The clerk states that they are fairly confident this is a tag-team effort, the tag-teaming constitutes the illusion of support and they recommend a ban. At the beginning of the statement they make clear that this is based on information provided by the complainant. The information provided by the complainant is not correct. I have copied the information here, directly below is a full time line with commentary. None of the other users supported my position, nor did I support theirs. Although I attempted to foster consensus, none occurred. Elgato7 did not even respond. 2) Second claim of meat-puuperty is copied here. Here are the sections of talk where lede is discussed (1,2,3,4,5) . None of them contain a result based on a concensus of the users listed in the investigation. Boneohimself and Elgato have not participated in any of them. This alone should demonstrate this is not a colaboration between me and the other two users. None contain a result by democratic vote, arguments are resoned and discussed. Again this can not be described as meat puppetry. 3) Third claim of meatpupetry is here. Myself and the named user were on the same side of the argument on more than one occasion, however like the others we are independent of each other. This user was not listed on the case so I assume no suspision exists. 4) historic ban for sock puppetry: did get banned for sock in Feb, I was within a few days of me joining wikipedia, I did not know any better & accepted full responisbility. It has not happened since. 5) Ignoring warnings about COI, was initially argumentative with MelanieN, but I quickly realised my error, [it] and have followed her instruction on concensus ever since. I'm very active on thie talk page for this reason. We were both editing the page in parrelel [happily for some time] and her comments on the investigation were in my favor. I have and would not ignored her instructions.- Since joining Wikiepdia in Feb I have made 828 edits to 56 different pages, mostly adding well sourced content to pages. This is an average of more than 5 edits per day for 133 days, I don’t think I would have made such a large contrubtion without Melanies early guidance and have always been greatful for what I learned from her. If I have missed somthing here I ask that it be spelled out for me. If I am unbanned I intend to carry on as previously. Millandhouse33 (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Sockpuppetry now confirmed by checkuser ([18]). Talk page access revoked. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
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