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I have added a "((prod))" template to the article Great Walk Networking, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. --Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 00:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the "((prod))" template once before, and added comment to the edit summary. At the same time, I added a "((stub)) tag to indicate the article is still under construction. I have followed Wiki's guidelines, and although this organisation (GWN) is of notable historical interest in Western Australia primarily, I am sure there are companion organisations throughout the world.
Great Walk Networking is coming up to its 20th anniversary...the first Great Walk was the subject of a documentary film that is now being digitalised. I hope to include captures and a full description. In addition, the Battye Library of Western Australia also has record of this organisation.
I have not written for Wiki before, but I understand the need to quote sources and I believe I have a grasp of Wiki's notability guidelines. I remind those who regard this article, well before its completion as it is, that "Notability... is not synonymous with fame or importance," but "means 'worthy of being noted.'"
Will you please allow this article to be completed? Please do not remove indicators that the article is under construction. Great Walk Networking has been the subject of a documentary, extensive photo essays, recordings and has published early environmental charters and magazines in Western Australia...all over the past 20 years. It, and this article, does meet Wiki's notability guidelines.
Kind regards, Joanna Hofmann (Greatwalk 11:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)) 05-01-07, Western Australia
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on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! It might help...! SatuSuro 09:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea to read the Franklin River article for something from that era - I dont think it is a good article (because I was involved in a certain sense I have different points of view which I cannot currently backup with reasonable sources yet) for some reasons - but it is better than other articles SatuSuro 09:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
Always give admins a careful listen - they can make or break articles... SatuSuro 09:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
You should feel free to participate in the deletion debate. I can't guarantee you will be heard - the opinions of new users and one-article-editors are usually given less weight than the opinions of more experienced and diverse contributors. So maybe you would be wasting your time. But if you want to say your piece, you are entitled to do so. Hesperian 12:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, reading your user page - I realise that I better discuss any of the details offline - my imac is playing up - so writing from this pc (my kids msn and world of warcraft machine) I cannot use gmail at the moment, so maybe tonight or in a few days - a few things need to be discussed. If I fluke it there will be a gmail message soon, but for some reason if an imac dosnt want... bit like the social worker and the light bulb joke.... cheers SatuSuro 05:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
(from User talk:Quarl) Hi Quarl, I am the primary editor of Great Walk Networking. I noticed that you have relisted the AfD discussion so that consensus may be reached. It is proving difficult to persuade new contributors to improve an article marked for deletion, and I am concerned about the future of the page. Rough consensus appears to have been reached: in particular, two administrators have voted to keep the page (one changed his opinion to 'keep' after others improved the page). Both of these administrators have also removed the COI notice and the primary sources notice. At this point, the only 'delete' opinion belongs to the administrator who nominated the page for deletion. She has not commented since the page was improved, she has never entered into a discussion regarding this page (before or after improvement), and has not really given a reason for nominating the page for deletion other than: "Public awareness walk, tagged for COI; regardless there no evidence to suggest that anyone even noticed it going on." I don't really see how full consensus can be reached when it appears to be impossible to address her unstated concerns, and I'm confused as to why rough consensus is not sufficient in this case. I'm a new editor and would appreciate your comments. Kind regards, --Greatwalk 04:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The extra paragraph - as far as I am concerned essential for the context in which gwn started -SatuSuro 13:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Youve got trhough the afd - well done - good idea to keep talk page items on wiki shorter... - but you must keep working at putting verifiable or notable information in - not anything like the wording or usage on the website! vip! SatuSuro 03:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Regards, Dfrg.msc 05:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
email SatuSuro 00:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC) and again SatuSuro 06:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
You appear to have a complete misunderstanding of the attribution policy. "Sources" does not mean "a pointer to a random webpage", but a "reliable published source" (my emphasis). You would also be advised to read the reliable sources guideline. You have also misused the ((hangon)) template, but I'll leave you to sort out that mess. --Pak21 13:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
You are now moving from acceptable behaviour into unacceptable behaviour. Your addition of deleted material to Lunisolar calendar is wrong for at least two reasons:
I am more than willing to discuss these issues, but you seem to be heading down a path which is highly likely to get you blocked if you continue. I strongly suggest you reconsider your actions. --Pak21 09:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
for your contributions and good manners. Here is something you may find useful: Woodchipping. You inspired me. Just a start, see if you can add something. Best regards - Fred (talk) 13:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I do this all the time :-] When one copies to (or creates a category in) a 'sandbox' or 'user sub-page', they are included in that category. My sandpit was an 'article for deletion' at one stage. One way to avoid this (or to link a cat without inclusion) is
I hope I'm making sense here. I don't know why it works, only that it does. Hesperian or orderinchaos would probably explain it better.
Anyway, I have been meaning to write to you about early conservation movements in WA. I will do that soon. Best regards Fred 17:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I answered on my talk page. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 05:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Greatwalk, thanks indeed go to people like you who stood up for allowing the (apparently unheard of) idea of allowing concepts to be written about in an encyclopedia! I noticed that some are still fighting the idea of including deleted information in main articles, as if the concepts themselves could be banned as "non-notable." I also think the entire deletion Jihad was ill-advised, poorly handled and an unnecessary over-reaction. It also severely misinterpreted the guidelines and policies. The entire episode - the most recent of MANY disheartening incidents I've seen here - have led me to basically take a long "wikibreak" from Wikipedia and focus my energies elsewhere. Thanks again for your reasoned arguments and reasonable discussions of this issue. - Nhprman 02:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
What was the deal? Did you think someone was forging my name during that AfD? For some reason, my comments were deleted. = Nhprman 06:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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You have been an example to us all in defending articles wrongfully proposed for deletion. Your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Civilian (street artist), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simple Lunisolar Calendar, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Hanson-Young (2nd nomination), , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian King, and so on (there's quite few, right?) was just so amazingly eye opening! Keep defending the Wikpedia. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 06:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC) |
Rejoice, dude, you have opened another eye. Well, not entirely open, though. I have already become so disgusted at the crappy arguments at the deletion debate for Ian King that I changed my position to keep, declaring agreement with the crappiest of them all. But, the downgrading stuff was a real eye-opener (never shall I try again to get an article right while it's in a deletion discussion).
Now, would you, please, check Wikipedia:Reliable sources guidelines to get a whiff of what I meant when I stood against the amazon.com citation? I also have left messages on Talk:Ian King, but my poor articulation and confrontational style may not make comments more useful than the guideline page. And, while you are at it, please, check Wikipedia:Citing sources as well. It might come real handy in your drive to substantiate poorly cited articles.
And, oh, I was pretty upset that instead of addressing the issues I raised citing WP:NOTE and WP:BIO, you decided to address the fact that I downgraded the article, thus rendering all my argument null. Please, understand again that I have nothing against Ian King. I don't know him, but I have reasons to believe that I know the WP. In fact I have posted a comment to User:Yankees76, the original keep-sayer to take another look at the stuff on the debate.
I believe, you have a wonderful mind that can really help taking Wikipedia forward. That is the reason I am requesting you to really help the Ian King article become an encyclopedia entry, not a repeat of promotional claims. It surely is getting a keep verdict, but this encyclopedia should be more important than keeping it populated with Australians (please, don't get me wrong, this far hte keep-sayers have been almost exclusively Australians, and just one with an interest in the sport... though Bangladesh is playing Australia today in the Cricket Worldcup). Hoping to here from you on my talk page. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 06:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I see you did not like my artist impression of Pauline, and removed it, fair enough if you honestly think its that bad. I did not mean it as disparaging as you have suggested, earlier I in fact removed some biased and irrelevant references to a questionable DNA test results that I believe were more disparaging. I thought it was an alright image, that others could improve upon perhaps, and another user did say it was a good likeness, but I suppose a photo would be better, its just the old one was removed.WunNation 12:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
LOL... the most tactful and diplomatic editor I've had a disagreement with? Indeed. Do I take that as a complement? Seriously, dear, I came to you page to write in a strong language, which is what I usually do. But, taking a look at whatever you've been doing here, I was so impressed that I had to award you barnstar (you deserve it more than many others who have awarded with the same barnstar).
About the capital E and small e stuff, there indeed is long disagreement between two groups of editors - the Inclusionists and the exclusionists - and, conflicts of philosophy doesn't end just there. It's a real trip down the rabbit's hole.
But, let me clear up two things. First, Wikipedida or any encyclopedia at that is not about truth, they are more about what can be verified as truth. And then, you have to depend on independent sources because sources associated with the subject may have an intrinsic bias toawards over claim or a presenting facts in a way that exaggerates them (example, the Aamazon.com claim of champion and trainer of world class athletes).
WP:ATT: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original thought. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. Wikipedia is not the place to publish your opinions, experiences, or arguments. (There's quite a number of questions that clarify the process of attribution on Wikipedia:Attribution/FAQ)
WP:NOTE: A topic is notable if it has been the subject of at least one substantial or multiple non-trivial published works that are reliable and independent of the subject. That doesn't include Self-promotion, autobiography, and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works should be someone else writing about the subject. The note there says - The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor).
WP:BIO: For sports bios - competitors who have played in a fully professional league or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport, or competitors who have played or competed at the highest level in amateur sports. For writers/journalists - the subject may be regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
The sources that went along with the Ian King article were (including Lou Schuler's, Tom Venuto's and Rob Wilkin's) were either from a co-author or from websites that clearly were designed to promote various stuff (even the language of these sites are highly non-objective and doesn't confirm any of the claims made about Ian King, i.e. champion or trainer of world class athletes). And, oh, offline sources are highly encouraged, as long they are bookflap material on the author of the book.
Finally, don't sweat over the suitable barnstar. Check out ((subst:The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar|message ~~~~)), if you are looking for barnstar that rewards kind words (I already have received one)... LOL. Nice meeting you. Cheers. Aditya Kabir 16:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I saw your report at AIV about the IP who was vandalizing Gowanda, New York. I also noted that you referred to reaching your revert limit. WP:3RR is obviously an important principle, but I just wanted to point out that there are exceptions for reverting obvious vandalism, copyright violations, and WP:BLP violations. Just an FYI...--Kubigula (talk) 02:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Here comes a delayed response. Delayed partly because a sudden bout of intense real life issues kept me somewhat away from my favorite virtual world, partly because it is not easy to provide answers to people with more practice in intelligence.
Now, I really want to point out that the red herrings you mentioned are actual pieces of Wikipedia policy (not even guidelines, and certainly not essays). You or I may have discomforts with the policies, or guidelines, and that is encouraged too. I have fought against at least two policies, and lost. Participated in devising another, which got shelved and raised voice against a merger of three core policies (including WP:ATT). But, article talk, deletion discussion or such are not suitable places to do that. It may be done on editors forums, project pages and policy or guideline talks.
And, my long post may have obscured the fact that I did respond to the differences of interpretation of guidelines you presented. A large part of your difference stood on the assumption that the sources given would not falsify information. While agreeing on that I take this opportunity to repeat myself again - true or not, these sources can support the claims (which they did poorly, considering none were able to tell where was the subject made a champion or which kind of world class athletes he trained), bu can't be the mainstay of verifying claims. Reliability doesn't only depend upon the the position of the person quoted, it also depend upon the intention of the source. At that a promotional is promotional is a promotional (this attitude of the community also serves to keep advertisement and spam out of Wikipedia).
Besides, these red herrings (i.e. policies, guidelines, help and essays) serve one very important purpose - for any social being that does not a have hive mind (like the Borgs in Star Trek) it is important to have behavioral guidelines, otherwise the community may degenerate into anarchy. It is even more important for Wikipedia, an encyclopedia project perpetually hovering at the brink of a total free-for-all. Ian King may be a minor issue, but if you let that through it might become an example for bigger troubles. Just take a look at those terrorist' articles, or anything that has a reference of inter-nation conflict, or even celebrity vanity articles and fancruft.
Thanks again for the good humor, for believing in the community and for applying you considerable thinking prowess to the development of this wonderful project (if you like I can provide appropriate citation for every claim in this last paragraph... LOL). Aditya Kabir 04:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your diligent work cleaning up the latest Silver vanity. Just when we think it's all gone it pops up again. -Will Beback · † · 08:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I reverted two edits at this page. They are available from your hisstory page if you want them - I say if. Happy editing, ☻ Fred|☝ discussion|✍ contributions 06:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm adding the following to "artificial flavor".
Its an unbiased added to Wikipedia inline with these links
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-IN2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aussie_bum
If you allow these companies content on wikipedia then you must allow this content below. Or you delete their as it is only fair? no?
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Hesperian...you are one person I would ask this advice from: Do I need a name change? If this article is called Great Walk and its main editor/contributor is also called User:greatwalk, will not the article constantly be plagued with accusations of WP:COI? It seems a likely possibility at this point...--Greatwalk Talk 10:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
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