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bogdan 23:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
So I dunno what got into me tonight, I just went crazy with this article. Anyway, I think with a little more development we could have this article ready to nominate for GA. One big thing I think we need is more sources and discussion of some more recent stuff...most of what's in the article now is information from around 2000 and articles from early 2007 when the laws changed, but there's nothing to tell the reader what the status of re-education through labor in China is right now. I've been having a hard time finding sources on that. One other thing I think we could use is having someone other than me skim through the article to ensure NPOV. I tried to be pretty neutral and balanced, but it's hard simply because of the preponderance of highly critical sources—almost no one has anything good to say about re-education through labor (for obvious reasons) so it's hard to write a balanced article.
Anyway, if anyone has other suggestions for development, or ideas for how to address the ones I raised above, please speak up! —Politizer( talk • contribs ) 06:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I was meant to have a squiz at this but have been really busy. Studies end in a week, so after that I will read it and give my humble comments. It looks long and well-researched though--it's also an important subject. The picture issue is going to be a problem for any of these sorts of articles, for obvious reasons.--Asdfg12345 10:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It seems unnecessary to continue repeat "re-education through labor or laojiao" over and over again (e.g. in Laojiao and the Chinese penal system). Might I suggest that we edit it down to either "re-education through labor" or "laojiao" (or even "RTL") and stick with it? L (talk) 10:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd go with laojiao.--Asdfg12345 10:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Should there be a section on the use of torture inside these facilities?--Asdfg12345 15:54, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
In Chinese, to be translated:
劳动教养,是从前“伟大的社会主义国家”苏联老大哥那里引进的。在前苏联,它是针对未成年人的一种刑罚,但引进我国以后变成了一种非刑罚的惩罚措施,但由 于它欠缺法律监督、程序保障,使它在实施起来,有时比刑罚还严厉。1955年8月25日,为了“肃反”的需要,当时的中共中央出台了《关于彻底肃清暗藏反 革命分子的指示》,第一次规定了劳动教养制度; 1956年1月10日,又发布了《关于各省、市应立即筹办劳动教养机构的批示》,从此劳动教养管理机构在全国建立; 1957年8月1日,经当时的全国人大常委会批准,国务院于8月3日公布了《关于劳动教养问题的决定》,这是第一部劳教法规。
从上述“劳动教养”制度出台的年代可以看出,它完全是为了当时“阶级斗争”的政治需要,其初衷是为了镇压“反革命”,不久,又成为“反右”斗争的重要工具。
http://news.boxun.com/news/gb/pubvp/2009/05/200905012354.shtml
The above article published in www.boxun.com has a lot of details:
Indeed, in Stalinist USSR extrajudicial punishment was common - both for "counterevolutionary" activities and for just being a "socially dangerous element" (the latter could include petty criminals, as well as members of families of political prisoners). Olegwiki (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
There is no text in the article about the Soviet Union's use of this practice. See text at reeducation. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 09:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi
Merge Laogai here.
I think this is probably a case of ggod faith duplication, by creating articles on the same subject, but using different names. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 09:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
:Echoing Homunculus: they are not the same subject. This article's section Re-education through labor#Re-education through labor and the Chinese penal system explains that clearly, if you read it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
http://news.ifeng.com/mainland/detail_2013_01/07/20909473_0.shtml According to a news article from 2013 January, the system is to be abolished some time within the year. This information is already found in the Chinese page, but I guess nobody cares enough to put it up on the English page.68.145.212.169 (talk) 17:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
It seems they are starting to be abolished. From a Telegraph article:
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