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Any Pitt stats guys here have access to the attendance records of Pitt 1989 Emerald Isle Classic game. Also, any help as to explaining why in the world Rutgers/Pitt went to Ireland would be very helpful (payouts, Big East deals, etc.).--Excaliburhorn 07:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
This has recently come up as two separate editors have taken it upon themselves to change every mention of "Pitt" to "Pittsburgh" in an effort to "formalize" the articles...particularly the sports articles. For now I have undone the revisions on the Pittsburgh Panther web page. There is some history here that those from outside the Pittsburgh/Western PA area are probably unaware of.
1. Since 1908 when the University of Pittsburgh changed its name from the Western University of Pennsylvania (until 1819 it was known as Pittsburgh Academy), those inside and outside of the university have referred to it as "Pitt". Official documentation also self-refers to the university as "Pitt". The quintessential history of the University by Alberts is called "Pitt" and the most referenced slogan and fight song is "Hail to Pitt". Press releases involving the athletic teams (see here for the most recent :press release) refer to the teams as "Pitt". The web site url is www.pitt.edu. It is very similar to the University of Pennsylvania self-referring to itself as "Penn", Pennsylvania State University referring to itself as "Penn State", or the University of California-Berkley referring to itself as "Cal".
2. Locally and regionally, and even nationally, "Pitt" is used to differentiate the University's sports teams from the professional sports teams of Pittsburgh (the Steelers, Pirates and Penguins).
3. Controversy struck in 1997 when new athletic director Steve Pederson took over a sagging athletic department at the university. In an effort to reinvigorate the sports programs by suggesting a fresh start, as well as to tie the Universities athletic teams closer the city in an attempt to revive flagging fan support among the city's non-alumni sports fans, Pederson introduced a new athletics logo, new blue and gold color scheme, and new uniforms. Highlighting these changes was the replacement of the "script" Pitt logo (used to adorn facilities, uniforms, football helmets, and even used for non-athletic university markings) with a logo that incorporated the word "Pittsburgh" in a torch-cut font. Pederson also sent press releases to all local and national media outlets requesting that they no longer refer to the University as "Pitt", but as "Pittsburgh". This met with outrage among some elements of the fan and alumni base, and was generally received by local and national media outlets with scorn, although they did generally comply. A torch-cut "Pitt" logo was produced during this era and was meant to be used only for internal university markings and was seldom seen. Upon the departure of Pederson to the University of Nebraska and the arrival of athletic director Jeff Long, the torch-cut Pittsburgh logo was gradually phased-out, and, to coincide with the hiring of Pitt alumni Dave Wannstedt as head football coach in late 2004, a new (yet retro) "block" Pitt logo was introduced thereby completely reversing the edicts of Pederson to replace "Pitt" with "Pittsburgh" in promotional and media fronts. Interestingly, the change in blue and gold shades remains, as they have been adopted university-wide and Steve Pederson has since returned as AD at Pitt, although he promised there will be revisions of the current logo this time around. However, the replacement of "Pitt" with "Pittsburgh" remains a very sensitive issue for many involved with the university, and unilateral conversion of "Pitt" to "Pittsburgh" may result in edit wars between alumni factions.
4. That said, the official name is the University of Pittsburgh and "Pittsburgh" is used to some extent, generally when referencing other academic criteria in the same sentence that would immediately signal that it was referring to the University, not the city. For instance, when using "Pittsburgh" it is typically either proceeded with the words "University of" or followed by "Panthers", etc). This holds true for administrators through alumni of the university.
These are the reasonings to leave "Pitt" alone, so to speak. I welcome further opinions but, again, direct you the usages of "Penn", "Penn State", and "Cal" by those respective universities. Just so its clear, I do believe the use of the word "Pittsburgh" when referring to Pitt is useful to reduce repetitiveness in the text. Please leave your opinions on this opinion. cp101p (talk) 23:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
For the listing of national championships, I'm not sure the table format is necessary for this. It may unnecessarily expand the page vertically compared to the way they were listed before, which didn't convey any less information. Thoughts on this?cp101p (talk) 18:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
This section seems very unnecessary on the main Pitt football page. It should probably be moved to its own page that could be titled "Pitt football seasons" or something similar. Many other sports teams have done something like that already. To get an idea of what I'm talking about creating see Everton F.C. seasons, Iowa Hawkeyes football seasons, or Boston Red Sox seasons. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 12:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I realize that college football rosters can be very large, but I think it would be good to have at least a list of the current starting roster on the main page. I can put together a form form for this. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 12:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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I have begun revamping this article in my sandbox to bring it more in line with articles of other preeminent football programs like USC, ND, Florida, Alabama and Texas. Also, I have brought the wording of the national championship section in line with the national championship article (the current table could be moved to Pittsburgh Panthers football seasons) and have tried to standardize things more, where possible, between this article and the Pitt Basketball article. I have not finished the history section and only have placeholders for what should probably go there, but the remainder of the article is nearing completion. Please leave feedback and comments. CrazyPaco (talk) 18:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Pitt's media guide cites it as being played at Bellefonte. PSU media guide makes no specific mention which can be inferred from that it was played in State College. No contemporary accounts of the game have been found after searches in newspaper archives or archived student publications (Western Pennsylvania Courant) in order to clarify the location. The location of the game, foremost, is extraneous information and does not need to be included, but additionally, it seems especially improper to do so while there are currently no found or known reliable contemporary sources that are able to reconcile the differences between the two media guides. Further, Wikipedia is not a source as has been suggested. CrazyPaco (talk) 01:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
According to the Official NCAA Record book, the first use of numbered uniforms was by Washington & Jefferson in 1908. If UPitt claims otherwise, then there ought to be a note in this article that the NCAA apparently doesn't recognize UPitt's claim. I'm not trying to start trouble, just pointing this out. --GrapedApe (talk) 20:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I understand the recentism policy, but the policy does not mean that all recent events should automatically be removed from the article. Michael Haywood's hiring and firing should not be completely skipped over. Looking through the edit history, mentions of Haywood were added to different degrees and removed at least three times now.
This edit removed mention of a recent cover story in Sports Illustrated about an issues with criminal behavior among Pitt's players. The editor who removed it cited "Recentism". "Recentism" is an essay and therefore carries no formal weight in deciding content issues. Before I readd the content, however, I'm opening this thread to give the editor who blanked the paragraph a chance to explain why they did so. Cla68 (talk) 07:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
If I'm not too late to jump it, it is absolutely recentism and undue to reflect a single article. Grsz 11 05:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
This article is very thorough. It offered a ton of information about the history and tradition of the PITT Panthers that I, a current PITT sophomore, did not know. One tihing I would like to see added to this article are the season-by-season result before the year 2005. Also, maybe a place to keep track of the current season record. Other than those minor suggestion, I think this article is great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade.Richardson (talk • contribs) 18:10, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Relevant deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2011_December_30#File:Pittfootballhelmet.png.--GrapedApe (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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Sourced material from College Football Data Warehouse website has been restored after removal which provided reasoning containing only singular WP:POV which was not supported by cited sources or editor consensus among the editing community represented by WP:CFB. Among the WP community of college football editors, CFDW has been considered to provide the most complete and thorough curation of all-time NC selections, beyond even the NCAA Official Records Book, and has provided a WP:neutral evaluation of those selections. It is not a"disbanded" website as claimed, which would not be a criteria for removal in the first place, and also has a long-standing consensus among the college football community editors as an independent, reliable secondary source (per WP Policy) consisting of expert opinion on historical national championship selections conforming to WP:NOR and WP:NPV. CFDW's content has been curated and contributed to by well established and published historians on the subject, including the executive director of the IFRA satisfying indepedent expert knowledge per WP:TPA. Singular opinions on the credibility of CFDW do not represent community consensus as demonstrated for years at College football national championships and WP:CFB. Please also note that the NCAA has never, and does not currently recognize or certify any national championships at the Division 1A/FBS level; it only lists selections of deemed major selectors in its Official Records Book. Other ancillary webpages at its press website contain press release stories containing abbreviated selections and do represent official NCAA comment on those championships, nor are they a component of its Official Records Book. See College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS for more information on the history, selection, and curation of national championship selections. This material in this article represents comprehensive listing of selections parallel to the primary college football national championship article, which is comprehensive and refrains from editorializing and WP:OR per Wikipedia standards. Please also see Wikipedia:Consensus. CrazyPaco (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
The NCAA has never, and does not currently, recognized or certify national championships at the highest level of college football play (at various times known as University Division/Division 1A/FBS). The NCAA has never sponsored or awarded college football championship at the D1A/FBS level and therefore has officially never endorsed or commented on the legitimacy of a championship. However, its official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records Book publication [1] has documented the choices of some selectors that, according to the contributing work of one published college football historian, have been deemed to be "major selectors". "Major selectors" are those deemed by the contributing historians to have been national in scope.
The NCAA does define a "consensus" selection. "Consensus" selectors in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records correspond to the period from 1950 to present which began with the introduction of the two poll system upon the appearance of the Coaches Poll in 1950. Selectors used to determine teams listed as "Consensus National Champions" in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records include the AP Poll, Coaches Poll, Football Writers Association of America, and the National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame. This only applies to football championships deemed to be consensus from 1950 forward. Other lists included in on-line articles provided at NCAA.com (not NCAA.org), are deemed derivative snapshots and incomplete, and do not represent official sanction or recognition. The Official NCAA Records Book is considered the definitive WP:Source on how the NCAA views this topic.
Please see College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS for more information and the long-held Wikipedia community editor consensus on this topic. CrazyPaco (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
This article is currently 216 kB[2] WP:TOOBIG gives:
> 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided > 60 kB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material)
One option is moving additional content and obvious WP:RECENTISM to History of Pittsburgh Panthers football, as seen in Category:History of college football by team. Note, multiple coaching era sections in this article are already tagged with "This section is too long" re this issue. Other options include addressing non-standard sections and those with sourcing issues. UW Dawgs (talk) 21:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Note, according to WP:TOOBIG, the rules of thumb apply only to readable prose and not to wiki markup size. According to readable prose tools, the current article is >7K words of reasonable prose, well within page size guidelines. CrazyPaco (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)