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This article contains a translation of Тухачевский, Михаил Николаевич from ru.wikipedia. |
"Polish origin" of Tukhachevsky is currently considered to be a myth (at a very least - unsubstantiated), and this should be noted in the text. Also, there is no reason to include his name in Polish spelling, since this spelling was not likely to have been originally used (no more so than any other non-native language).
I'm sure we have a page somewhere on the correct rendering of Russian names, but I can't find it. Our current article is called Mikhail Tukhachevsky, but Google says that Mikhail Tukhachevski is the correct spelling by a ratio of 10 to 1. Do we have a policy? Where is it? Adam 04:03, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Oops, actually I am wrong, the Google ratio is the other way around. But I still want to know, do we write Vasili or Vassily or Vasily? Semen or Semyen or Semyon? Konev or Koniev or Konyev or Kon'ev? The dispute over Kiev is different, it involves alternative Russian and Ukrainian spellings. Adam 04:09, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
OK well no-one seems to what out policy is, so I will do as I please. Adam 07:29, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
If there was a fixed scheme for Russian-English transcription, I wouldn't have had to ask my original question, now would I? There are several schemes. My question is, has Wikpwedia adopted one of them? If so, which one? Does anyone know? Adam 07:55, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This is the nearest I have got to an answer (section 3.1 I recall). Pfortuny 16:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, but that doesn't really help. It is an argument about the presentation of names, rather than their spelling. It doesn't help me for example in deciding between Yuri and Yury and Yurii, all of which are widely used. The record so far is Marshal Semyon Budyonny, who is also spelled Budenny, Budennii, Budyenni, Budyenny, Budyennii and Budyonni. Adam 00:34, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
OK well since no-one is able to advise me I am going to follow what seems to me the most sensible rule. In the name Будённый, I am going render ё as /yo/ rather than /e/ or /ye/, since that's how it's pronounced, and I'm going to render -ый as /y/ since /ii/ although orthographically correct looks very pedantic. Thus it become /Budyonny/. I also don't see why Russian biographical articles need to use the patronym in the article title, since that is not the way Russians are referred to in English. This means I will be moving some articles. If anyone wants to argue with me they are welcome. Adam 05:53, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Should I expand the section explaining his command over bolshevik troops in the War of 1920? Is it needed? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 19:35, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
This particular warning is based on considerable experince of the passions that Polish history seems to arouse in the breasts of many Wikipedians. Adam 10:38, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Regarding the final chapter about the so-called 'Tukhachevsky Affair' and the framing of Tukhachevsky by the Nazi high command - with the collusion of Stalin, and the lack of new evidence. This is dealt with extensively in Vadim Rogovin's book '1937, Stalin's Year of Terror' (Mehring Books 1998, ISBN 0-929087-77-1 Paperback) - specifically Chapter 48 'The Stalin-Hitler Provocation' which deals in great detail with the collusion between Nazi & Communist Intelligence to frame Tukhachevsky. I will post something accordingly shortly on this.
German historians have recently discovered in the archives that he was guilty: he tried to sell Ukraine to the Reich
The text of the current version is but an echo of the Nikita Khrushchev time propaganda.I have read his "scientific work." I intend to add a separate section with an alternative biography/characteristic of Tukhachevsky (without modifying the existing content). Prior to that, I would summon a discussion here. AbuAmir 19:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
http://hem.lidnet.se/~agzybirlik/tuhachvski.htm: T. sent to Tambov. Original command texts about war gases, against civilians
http://militera.lib.ru/science/tuhachevsky/index.html Thukhachevsky, selected writings, free fulltext russian
http://www.aif.ru/online/longliver/01-02/09_01?print neutral analysis
http://militera.lib.ru/science/tuhachevsky/01.html tukhachevsky suggests to convert comissars to comanding officers.
Repression of the officer corps had nothing to do with the deep operations theory. --mrg3105mrg3105 03:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a section mentioning Tukh. using war gases against civilians in peacetime. There are enough online available resources with the original commands text, yet Abune preferred to mention the 1939 edition of the "official com.party history" as a source. Of course this pathetic document can't be used as a source for anything but to demonstrate how flexible truth may be. And even if it was otherwise, the said "history" does NOT say a word about Tambov, Gases etc ! AbuAmir (talk) 10:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 12:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Did she hang herself or was arrested? Needs editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.205.212.200 (talk) 01:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
is NOT a source, c'mon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.129.198 (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
The article states that "Deep Operations" theory 'fell out of favour' during 1937-39 and was only brought back after the so-called failures of the Red Army during the Winter War. That statement is rendered completely false by the preceding paragraph, which describes its successful use by Zhukov in Mongolia against Japanese forces months before the Winter War even began.
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Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 21:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
As of this writing in summer 2010 there is a feature film about Tukhachevsky, uploaded in ten minute installments on YouTube. The transliteration of the title is "Tukhachevsky: Conspiracy Marshal". There are no English subtitles. Does anyone know where I can find a description or review of this film? It looks very interesting. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Sanity Inspector (talk • contribs) 02:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
I saw this film. If I understand with my poor russian language, it is about cooperation between marshal Tukhachevsky and Ludwig Beck(chief of general staff of Wehrmacht) against Stalin and Hitler and about prepairing plot to overthrow these two totalitarian leaders.--213.220.243.20 (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure about this, because according english subtitles, main hero(commander Kotov) talk with brigade commander Lapin. Tukhachevsky is not mentioned.--213.220.243.20 (talk) 01:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Unless, I am mistaken and the Tukhachevsky and Malinovsky family were one and the same, the photo File:Malinovszkijcsalád.JPG is placed here in error. In Hungarian, the image name clearly indicates that the photo is of the Malinovsky family. (talk) 03:50, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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Where did he go to school?
Russian school web site which may be the same
US Military paper 2https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%86_(%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0)
https://goaravetisyan.ru/en/zagadka-mihaila-tuhachevskogo-poruchika-imperii-i-marshala/